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I'm a big fan of waterfalls and your waterfall is fantastic.  Your pond looks like something out of a magazine.  Good job.   O0


I notice your from Arizona, how often do you have to add water to your pond?

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Pond Chat / Re: microlift
« on: September 23, 2008, 06:10:37 PM »
has anyone ever used the microlift that says it breaks down the leaves..and is it safe?? i was wondering cause i know alot of you don't use any chemicals and i don't either... lorraine


I use it and it works great.....Its 100% natural..I use microbe lift pl...

laguna

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Great job on your new pond!!  For that size pond I'm surprised you only had 4 visits to the chiro!  And you have all those rocks!  I dug my own pond, way smaller, and very little rocks only because I don't want to visit the chiro!  And my back still hurts after 2 months.  Have to have it adjusted every so often (son is trained to do it for his personal trainer job).

Beautiful work!  Can't wait to see it with all the plants grown in in spring!


My back still hurts..I appreciate the guys who build koi ponds for a living or landscaping in general...

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Great job on the pond it will look spectacular once the landscaping is grown in and the pond if full of plants.  I also along with my husband dug our pond shovel by shovel and lined it with rocks inside and out........and guess what every  spring (5 now) when we do a clean out it does not look anything like the one shown.  Yes there is algae, but with proper maitanace during the year it should not look like that. I do agree that one without rocks is easier to care for as I have one like that also, but the looks of rocks in the pond is just so nice.  You said you planned on bringing the koi in for the winter, where do you plan on putting them?  Koi really need a lot of room 250gal per large koi, less for little ones with good filtration.  Your pond is plenty deep you should be able to overwinter them outside, as long as you keep a constent hole open for gas exchange.  I'm in WI and our winters are cold also, my pond is not quite 3' deep and mine stay out and have survived so far.

I thought about keeping them outside over the winter but I have a 500g water tank inside my garage( Dura Pure portable water tanks)..temp is kept at 45 degree so they shouldn't produce to much waste if not any at all.......Kinda what my buddy did it seems to work...He drains the water from outside pond into the holding tank and has two 55g drum filters for it....Im sure I will make a few mistakes..

I dont mind cleaning a pond out once a year, I help my buddy this year and it didnt seem to hard .. He would drain his pond out, Preasure wash it and remove a few rocks from the bottom to suck the muk out (very little muk for 7 months)....But it works in Minnesota ...






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Although the rocks give more surface area for beneficial bacteria to grow, that surface area does not help the anaerobic bacteria growing beneath the rocks.

If you drain the water in a rock lined pond and move the rocks, the smell of decaying organic matter will literally make you gag.

The larger the koi grow, the more waste they put off.  The more waste they put off, the more organic matter beneath the rocks to decay.

The fish will be fine for a year or so but they'll eventually begin to get bacterial infections, ulcers and die.  Unless the muck is removed from under the rocks.

I'm not trying to be negative as the pond truly is gorgeous.  But in 3 months, the rocks will be covered with algae so you really won't be able to see them.  They are a detriment to the fish and I definitely wouldn't let my kids swim in there after they've been in the pond a couple of months.  Anaerobic bacteria is not something you want your fish to be in contact with and especially not your children.

As for browsing the web and looking at rock lined ponds with large koi, ask how old the pond is and/or how much time and effort are spent cleaning under the rocks if the pond is a couple of years old.

Although still not an ideal situation, a rock lined pond is much better suited to goldfish since they don't get large and don't put out as much waste.
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Kids was a one time thing when the pond was filled up...Thanks for your concern..

Laguna



One time kid swim..

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From another form
I really wouldent want a pond with rock !

Thats freakin NEGLECT...Im not a idiot....No Offence to the owner....

Laguna

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That pond is beautiful. I would not worry as much as the 2 above posters seem to be. You actually have 10 to 20 times or more surface area in you pond for beneficial bacteria to grow. I am sure with the proper circulation and aereation. your pond will do better than most. You have also given yourself some nice planting areas to which the roots will love you for it. Your pond will do great. Browse the web and look at ponds with rocks in them. I am sure the photos you see, with huge koi, will reassure you. I bet if you asked the fish in the 100's of photos I saw with rocks, they would tell you it is fine.

Again, sweet pond and enjoy!!

Thanks for the kind words....My filtration is set up for 6,000g and the pond is only 3,000g give or take 200g so Im not to concern over how my fish will do...
I visited about 6 different ponds in Minnesota and 1/2 take thier fish in during the winter and all have river rock bottom and the ponds are awsome looking...
and the clean it once every spring.....My pond is to showcase my Perennial garden not to raise show koi..

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Although the rocks give more surface area for beneficial bacteria to grow, that surface area does not help the anaerobic bacteria growing beneath the rocks.

If you drain the water in a rock lined pond and move the rocks, the smell of decaying organic matter will literally make you gag.

The larger the koi grow, the more waste they put off.  The more waste they put off, the more organic matter beneath the rocks to decay.

The fish will be fine for a year or so but they'll eventually begin to get bacterial infections, ulcers and die.  Unless the muck is removed from under the rocks.

I'm not trying to be negative as the pond truly is gorgeous.  But in 3 months, the rocks will be covered with algae so you really won't be able to see them.  They are a detriment to the fish and I definitely wouldn't let my kids swim in there after they've been in the pond a couple of months.  Anaerobic bacteria is not something you want your fish to be in contact with and especially not your children.

As for browsing the web and looking at rock lined ponds with large koi, ask how old the pond is and/or how much time and effort are spent cleaning under the rocks if the pond is a couple of years old.

Although still not an ideal situation, a rock lined pond is much better suited to goldfish since they don't get large and don't put out as much waste.
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Kids was a one time thing when the pond was filled up...Thanks for your concern..

Laguna

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The pond is gorgeous and you'll get a lot of enjoyment out of it for about a year.

I know you're not going to be happy about this but the rocks really need to be removed.  By the end of next summer, there will be a large layer of muck under and between the rocks that will be anaerobic (no oxygen).  Bad bacteria that is harmful to the fish will grow there.  It will also give parasites a place to breed. 

Everything from fish waste and uneaten food to leaves and dirt that blow into the pond will settle in the rocks and rot there.  Once that happens, if you move the rocks with the fish in the pond, the gases that are released will kill them. 

It is possible to keep the rocks but you'll need to remove the fish every year, move the rocks around and clean the muck out of the pond.  You'll be amazed at how thick the layer will be under there in just a year.  It's like having your fish live in an unflushed toilet.

If you want the healthiest environment for your koi, the best thing to do is remove the rocks and use them in the landscape.



Yes..We will be moving the fish indoors in november ( Minnesota )..We will pressure wash and clean the pond every spring (  1 days work )..we have some freinds that have done the same thing year after year for 5 years and the koi they have are 16" to 24'' long and very healthy....The pond is a big show tank for 7 months and thats about it after all its Minnesota weather....I also use a microbe lift to help balance the pond during the summer....

Thanks for the concern....

Laguna.....The rocks are all from the surrounding farms behind my house..

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Im glad this is finished! I have 11 Koi about 6-7 inches long swimming around...The two big koi are 4 and 7 years old..lol
thanks to this web-site and the koi pond bible it was hard but not impossible...

 All rocks were lifted or rolled onto a trailer out in the field  by hand and rolled or lifted into place.. I did have use a bobcat to dig the hole..
 Pond about 20' long 10' wide 4' to 18'' deep with a 3'x2' cave at the deep in...the two waterfalls are 3' and 1' wide about 2' drop. The steram is 6' long...

Laguna

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First pic is my boy sitting in the dug out hole...about 4ft deep going up to 2ft

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My wife and I started gardening about 3 years ago and after 500 plus perennial plants and do it yourself landscape, we went on a Garden tour of the local area Garden Club...Wow was I hooked on koi ponds after the first garden visit..So the journey began and just about three months later we finished our 3,000g Koi pond.... 18 yards of dirt and who knows how many pounds if not tons of river rock...Thanks to all the local farmers for all the free river rock...

Laguna

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The curve will not be to sharp..just make sure your liner is about 2' over on each side of the stream so you can adjust the walls by adding dirt. Raise the areas if need be...Dont trim the liner on the curve just fold it under untill the stream and your pond settles just in case you need to build up an area....Better to have more than not enough..

Laguna

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I live north of Minneapolis about 60 miles..My pond is only 34'' deep and the average is about 22'' its its about 17'x9'..
I just thought i could raise them bigger and it would be safer for them...

What do most people do in zone 4 zone 5?  My garage is kept at 45 degree so it will not freeze but the water will be cold enough below 55 that the koi will not need to eat..might need to filter it for only two months...

Appreciate the help

Laguna

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I can get a Ag tank 300g or 550g,  its a round tank and has a manway on top of tank 16" (so a guy can get into the tank) Its white poly tank used for the Ag business in minnesota its safe for water storage and food use....

Would this be a good tank for my winter storage in my garage and will the 16'' hole on top of the tank be ok for the koi.. i will keep about 12-14 koi in the tank 7-10'' long and over the years they will get bigger...so would the 300 be ok or should i go and get the 550g tank?

I might cut another hole on top to view the fish...

Any suggestions would be appreciated

Thanks Laguna


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