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Pond Chat / Re: Nooby ponder with questions
« on: May 09, 2007, 07:22:38 PM »
OK here's the DIY link. http://www.koiphen.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51710
You have to join to see the pictures.

Now about your set-up. No you don't want the pond to be a flow through for your runoff. From the asphalt in your roof to the creosote in your RR ties. {nono}

If it were me, I would consider a drain large enough to handle your biggest downpours and then some, where the patio stones end. Dig a deep trench to daylight the drain pipe well beyond your pond location. It doesn't have to be really deep if you run it along the side (underground) of your pond/stream. Then build your pond however you want with the run off taken care of. You will want the pond located where you can view it from the main hangout place in the house if possible—kitchen window, living room window, etc. You also want a nice place to view it from outside.

Maybe the pond could be at the top of the RR ties and flow over them and the stream run down that channel—that would help with the depth for running your drain pipe if a pond wasn't over it. You could use the drain pipe trench to run your pond plumbing too.

If you put the pond outside that four pane kicked out window, the falls could stair step in that corner near the house where the ties are at two different levels, you'd have to redo some patio stones if you took your stream down the channel though. Looks like you have lots of potential at your place.

Do lots of research and ask a bunch of questions, that way you won't have to build as bad a pond as many of us did before we knew anything. And yes everyone has a different opinion and that can be frustrating too.

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Pond Chat / Re: Racooons
« on: May 08, 2007, 10:54:04 AM »
I'm so sorry to hear about the fish and plants—a shallow temporary housing is really a choice find for those little bas@@*%!'s

I hate them with a passion. I have to look at electric fence wire all around my pond, and even then sometimes they brave it to grab my biggest fish or yank out the plants growing along the watefall. I repotted my lotus this year and was excited to see all the tubers that had grown. Putting on lots of fresh growth and one of the three lotus pots had just put up a large arial leaf among the many small ones already crowding the pots. I woke up one morning to find...





The other two lotus pots were not so lucky as this one, which still had a few tubers on the ground.



They harassed the lily pot as well...

I've been keeping a rat trap set on the edge of one pot since then. :blowup:


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Pond Construction & Filtration / Re: So much to learn
« on: May 08, 2007, 10:13:45 AM »
Whoa Nelli!

Read read read, then dig. I was like you some—I dug the hole then started looking for a liner. My thinking was liner and a pump have pond, what else would I need. Then I visited an Aquascapes pond dealer—$400 for a square plastic box!!! You've got to be kidding. I ended up with most of the right things but did them wrong. (I didn't buy Aquascapes thankfully) My bottom drain for example—plumbed in 2", the lack of vertical sides and shallow depth, so I now have poor filtration and a raccoon problem, etc...   :'(

Check out the link I posted on one of the other threads about DIY at koiphen—all kinds of filters DIY.

I like the stock tank biofilters, and I think 55 gallon drums are an incredible pond filtration device. Skimmers I think are probably better bought than made—a pool skimmer isn't to pricy then run it to a ..... 55 gallon drum! But many people make skimmers and they work well.

There is a ton of pond stuff/ information out there and you will be well rewarded if you can be patient and learn from other's mistakes. Everyone has their own opinion and think they have the answer. There really are no experts—if Phd's are what make experts. There are a wealth of pond builders at koiphen and koishack, many do it for their livelihood and give advice freely. Listen to everyone and try to find the common ideas of the many, then put together the best thing you can to include them.

I've mention a few good resource people like Kent Wallace (living ponds solutions) and Gene at koivillage.com—they both post at koiphen though contacting them directly might be a way to go. I've heard nothing but appriciation and praise from folks who have called Gene and spent time with talking with him.

About that liner—don't buy it till the hole is completely dug and you know for sure your not going to add a little more depth here or some width there... been there, done that. It was really frustrating wanting to dig more, but the liner was already on its way.

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Pond Construction & Filtration / Re: Efficient pumps - opinions
« on: May 08, 2007, 09:46:52 AM »
I started with a Cal Torpedo pump Great design if only they could make it work. 1/3 hp  520 watts 4200 gph @ 0'  zero feet? Get real. Do not buy a Cal pump as they are junk. My first one was replaced in 5 months bad bearings, the second lasted about three months, my third one is for a back-up pump only (warranty is expired now), it started to leak when I first installed it... When it fails again I will replace it with a Wave.

I replaced the Cal with an external Wave 1,   1/4hp (William Lim pump) about 6228 gph @4' at 322 watts you do the math, 322 watts or 500 watts and much more water.

Artesian, I have read are a great external, they are a tiny bit more efficient than the William Lim pumps, Sequence I've heard mixed reviews. Tsunami used to be the best submersible from what I've read. Williams warranty is three years—I flooded mine after about 6 months, completely submerged it. The bearings started making noise after I dried it out. I sent it back to William and he replaced the bearings and the impeller all for no charge. Now that's a warranty.

Bullfrog: Any good pump maker will provide a graph chart showing the water output at a given head height. See chart on link. Remember height is only part of the equation, pipe friction loss is another. I didn't understand it but when I got a handle on it—wow every elbow bend and fitting costs you head height or water flow and it adds up quickly.

http://www.wlimproducts.com/crv-dra.htm

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Pond Construction & Filtration / Re: Second pond started
« on: May 08, 2007, 09:12:25 AM »
That's a lot of water, wish I had room for that. Are you going to use aerated BD's? Plumbing each one separately in 4" to a vortex or? Doing any TPR's? External pump?

Being as you already have a pond you probably know what your doing...

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Pond Construction & Filtration / Re: Savio Filer and Falls
« on: May 07, 2007, 09:07:24 PM »
Yikes! that's a big font...

OK, my limited knowledge would say eeeekkks! The biofilter takes approximately six weeks to cycle. DO NOT rinse your biofilter with a hose—are you on untreated well water? Chlorine will kill your biobugs. I use a bucket to scoop up some pond water, after I have drained the water from my biofilter—using the stock BD that is in it, I then will dump the pond water into the top of the biofilter and watch the color of the water coming out the drain. After several dumps the water is much cleaner—I'm done. Close it up and turn the pump back on. If your cleaning your biofilter every couple of days it's obviously getting to much yuk. You need to dramatically improve your mechanical filtration. Did they run the bottom drain to your skimmer, or do you have an additional filter for that?

It will take time for your pond to settle in. If it's brand new, the algae isn't even helping you yet. I had minimal fish and when the pond was cycling for the first time it started to get so green I could almost not see the bottom then bang it went away. I wasn't feeding the fish and I only had mosquito fish at the time. I've read conflicting views on water changes and new ponds but given the food and fish number you should probably be doing some of that—again I'm no expert and don't know koi but the folks at koiphen or koishack will be much more informative—even if all you do is search the old threads.

Your pump is costing you a lot of $$$ to run. Even without knowing at what head height your pump does 4200 gph at. A 1/2 hp pump takes a lot of juice to run. A 1/6 hp pump @221 watts/2.3 amps will push 4000 gph @ 3.5' head for comparable flow.

32 1" koi or 32 8" koi? There is a formula for number of inches of fish per 100's of gallons I don't know what it is—the koi folks at koiphen could tell you. Given you have koi I am guessing you are WAY under filtratrated. I've heard one koi for a thousand gallons—the local garden center here says 1 koi for 10 gallons so opinions differ immensely, but the folks at koiphen can guide you better than I. Also 3–4' is a minimum for koi.

You have about two hands full of glop per day coming out of your fish, not to mention the snails contribution—mine came uninvited with my new plants.

"The twigs or" is why I added brushes soon after building my pond. Your telling me you have one little mat for mechanical filtration for 32 koi? You have a roll of springflow and one scrawny mat for biofiltration... that's it? I don't expect the lava rock would help you for very long if you were to do that. You need to begin with a great deal more mechanical filtration IMHO.

The plastic screen in front of my skimmer is the old plastic rain gutter gaurd stuff they used to sell to keep debris from clogging up gutters. I have two of them. The bottom of my pond comes up to just below the front of my skimmer faceplate so one sits on the bottom the other rests on top of it and the water current helps hold them in place. Mine is essentially for catching all the algae that is constantly floating around.



14" Brushes in Savio: http://www.aquaticpondsupplies.com/brushes.htm
Matala I used a roll of blue: http://www.matalausa.com/
Extra Mat I got from a "local" koi shop—same stuff that comes in the Savio when new.

Instead of Matala you could use:
http://www.bettymills.com/shop/product/view/Premier/PAD235.html
or
http://www.shoplet.com/office/db/gFPAD1199.html
I can't tell you what color floor scrubber pads or size to get, I've never used them.

Here's a link to DIY filters at koiphen—you'll need to join to see pictures... also read through some of the construction threads
http://www.koiphen.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51710
There's a section on bottom drains too, in that link.

Another great resource is a guy called gene at http://www.koivillage.com/ he also posts at koiphen...

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Pond Construction & Filtration / Re: Savio Filer and Falls
« on: May 07, 2007, 06:19:08 PM »
Would you want to clean your bathtub with a shop vac? I'd rather have a drain personally, but that's me. Although I spend many hours cleaning my pond constantly, I'd rather be lazy and let a BD do the work. I plumbed my BD with 2" pipe and a bunch of directional fittings—it doesn't flow much water, but I'm really glad I have one as minimal as it is. I hose brushes to clean the glop instead of having to get out a shop vac suck some water, toss it, and do it again, and again, and.... I did a very dumb pond build when I did mine, I'm just suggesting some of what I've read and learned since then. I would have saved many hours of cleaning labor had I done the BD properly.  :-\

The air line is for an aerated bottom drain. The purpose is two fold, one it provides oxygen to the water, secondly the air rising from the bottom drain cover creates a water circulation that draws stuff right to the drain—water sweeps down the sides, along the bottom to the drain, and then rises. Many koi folks are really hung up on that one as a got to have. I don't have one, if I did, I would personally try using a water jet to create water circulation to the drain—I'd rather not have to buy extra equipment... If it didn't work I could use an air pump like everyone else—I don't have the airline so I can't do either. It's just really cheap to run the air line when you put in the bottom drain—maybe you'll never use it but for an extra $10 for pipe why not, the trench is already dug. The other additional costs would be the BD that is plumbed to do an air drain. If you get a good BD they are generally set-up for it.

Here's one aerated BD
http://www.koivillage.com/



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Pond Construction & Filtration / Re: Savio Filer and Falls
« on: May 07, 2007, 01:37:31 PM »
If you haven't built the pond, or can drain and lift liner easily you really want to put the bottom drain under the liner. Gravity helps pull stuff to the drain. Otherwise your trying to lift gunk into the drain. If Your building a new pond put in an air line to the bottom drain as well. If your worried about cutting the liner that's natural but if you do it right shouldn't be a problem. There are many tutorials on how to install one.

Caveat; I have no idea what kind of pond your building. I have a water garden and really wish I had a better bottom drain. I lined mine with rocks and soon after learned that was a big mistake. It just depends on what you want. Many folks build ponds without a bottom drain and over stock them with koi...

If you haven't built yet, read a bunch—especially at places like koiphen about pond construction, and ask a lot of questions.

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Pond Construction & Filtration / Re: Savio Filer and Falls
« on: May 06, 2007, 06:13:26 PM »
Many people have lava rock because that's what the Aquascapes folks do. They build rock bottom ponds. Lava rock from what I've read clogs quickly and is heavy. I've read many people who got rid of the rock and did the springflow instead... there are many kinds of filtration material just like many kinds of filters. PVC ribbon, scrubber pads, floor scrubber pads, shotgun wads, and the media designed for such things, and so much more... I wouldn't do lava rock instead  {nono}

The Savio will depend on many factors as does any filtration set up. Volume of water flow rate, fish load, fish food, plants and fertilizer,etc....The standard skimmer in my opinion is not adequate for mechanical filtration. A plastic basket and a simple mat isn't enough IMHO. The Biofilter is small ~30 gallons or so. If you really want to hear bad news ask the same question at koiphen or koishack...

Your green water could be as simple as the fertilizer you used in your plants... If you have any. The barley bales are for the string algae, not the green water. Some folks will use quilt batting in their skimmer for a week or two having to rinse it many many times and replace it frequently to clear up their green water. Do you have a bottom drain? Maybe you have lots of glop in the bottom that needs to be removed? Maybe your over feeding your fish? Have to many koi? There are many causes for your problem but just saying what's wrong with my filtration will probably not find you a solution. Have you drained you biofilter? Did you rinse it with pond water? When did you change your pads last? Clean them with a hose?... I could go on and on.

I have that same set-up with minimal fish load, lots of plants and about 1200 gallons. I turn my water over 2-3 times an hour. I have a bottom drain as well (don't build pond without it). I have added six brushes and an extra piece of mat to just the skimmer to increase it's ability to filter. I have a plastic screen in front of the skimmer opening as well and a water plant pot over the BD. That's my mechanical. The biofilter I have added package strapping scraps other nylon mesh packaging, a roll of blue Matala an additional piece of generic mat in addition to the single roll of springflow.

I would build my pond different today if given the opportunity, but I work with what I have. A 100 gallon stock tank would be a much bigger biofilter than the Savio. The skimmer I'm not sure which way I'd go. The bottom drain I would definitely have a dedicated mechanical filter for, as well as a bigger BD and 4" pipe for it.

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Pond Water Quality / Re: UV or No UV
« on: May 05, 2007, 09:35:04 AM »
Yes I run filtration all year long. My water temperatures dropped to 35* this winter. The biobugs don't do anything to convert ammonia, nitrates and nitrites at these temperatures. I would guess I have a clean water because I have a minimal fish load—no koi. I can spend many hours a day stirring up the gunk in the water working crud to my BD and then washing brushes and mats—several times in a few hours when I'm really working at cleaning it.

My argument against UV is it does absolutely nothing to remove the nutrients that cause green water to grow. It's like adding HP to your pond to kill string algae. It's a quick fix that doesn't solve the problem. Additionally it is an indiscriminate killer of anything in the water—anything that would be sensitive to UV—good or bad things. The pond is a living organism, I don't think killing anything that happens to float by is a good thing. In my mind I'd prefer to treat the disease than the symptoms. Treating the symptoms may make you feel better but the disease continues. Fix the disease and your done, no more band-aids.

I don't have experience with ice covered ponds, and maybe no amount of filtration can solve the green water issue. I would think that increasing filtration would be a good thing. It is less expensive than UV and certainly worth trying before spending money for equipment that may not be needed. It's just my opinion to someone with a similar pond filtration set-up as I had. I know when I posted, that everyone else was pushing UV, just wanted to offer an alternative to the status quo. Many people inadequately filter their ponds IMHO and then they wonder why their water's not clear.

Brushes and Matala about $100, floor scrubber pads would be even cheaper than Matala. UV is $250 or more, plus electric costs, replacement bulbs... Two generic pads and a roll of Springflow is not much filtration in my mind, that's why I beefed mine up. A bottom drain wasn't mentioned either.



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Pond Construction & Filtration / Re: Good website
« on: May 04, 2007, 05:04:24 PM »
No skimmers don't need a pump inside it. Many folks plumb their pump out of the water—external. They are much more energy efficient, and generally last longer.

Pump GPH is measured in height of head loss—say a pump puts out 6000 gph at 5' of head. This is how much water it will pump when encountering 5' of head pressure. That can be pumping the water up hill 5' or, it could be small diameter pipe and a bunch of fittings that add up to 5' of head height—that's called friction loss. You have to account for both when calculating how much water you need your pump to push.

Probably more than you wanted to know...

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Chit Chat / Re: Other hobbies?
« on: May 04, 2007, 12:28:08 PM »

In my former life—before wife and child, I used to be a kayaker (whitewater and ocean wave surfing), back-country skier, and backpacker. I used to teach kayaking and was a yoga teaching assistant. I still backpack, about once a year get my skies on the snow, and this past year got a canoe so the whole family can get on the water. If you know kayaks, this pic really dates me...



I now spend a good deal of time around the pond and garden.

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I'm feeling slow with the slow version of DSL and a six year old Mac... It depends on where the hub is for the phone line—in my limited understanding. If your neighbors have it you should be able to as well—unless your talking about the closest neighbors being 6-10 miles away...

You should be able to get relatively fast dish internet connections. My brother went that route as they were to far out in the boonies to get DSL. Cable TV offers high speed internet here as well.

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Pond Chat / Re: Gibralter azalea
« on: May 04, 2007, 09:25:25 AM »
I hear walking is good exercise...   Well maybe I misled you, I usually drove there.  {:-P;;

You could try giving them a call they might ship to you, or to a mom and pop nursery near you. I did that here with a local nursery—told them about a wholesaler that was selling what I wanted and then they ordered the trees to sell to everyone. It was almost cheaper that way as I didn't have to bear the brunt of shipping by truck a small amount.

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Pond Water Quality / Re: UV or No UV
« on: May 03, 2007, 08:59:25 PM »
I have the same filtration set-up you have. I don't use UV. My fish load is minimal—GF, minnows, mosquito fish. The first year just as it looked to be getting green it cleared up. I would suggest you beef up your filtration before getting UV. UV kills the algae but doesn't remove the nutrients that make them grow in the first place.

In my skimmer I've added six 14" black night brushes 3 per side. I also added an additional mat in the pump area—my pump is external.

In the biofilter I added a 6" high roll of blue Matala (have to trim it a little to fit in the Savio) on top of the springflow. I've also added more nylon strapping and more generic mat.

This is how the skimmer looks:
http://www.koiphen.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47378&highlight=skimmer+modification


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Those look really awesome—nice and thick. Do you have any details on that floating planter? Did you make it?

My new CP have been putting out a little growth, I'll have to post a pic soon.



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Please stop this Andrew and Joyce.
Andrew, I would like to politely ask you to edit your post and stop harassing Joyce on our forum. If you are incapable of doing this you WILL be banned.
Cheers,
Sean

Thanks Sean,  O0  you saved me having to make an unpleasant comment ...  :swear:
I just don't get why folks have to get so personal and nasty.


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These are from today...

Whole pond pic is a tough one. This is from the roof looking down.



This is the plant filter pond where the water begins, bubbling up between
the water hyacinth, the biofilter is about six feet behind them in the ground.
The top of the falls start here.



Here is a straight on view of the falls, from the roof.



The plants are still small, but it's early in the year...

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Pond Chat / Re: Oh Joooooooyce? Japanese Maple question....
« on: May 02, 2007, 06:58:15 PM »
It had been in the ground about five years. I discovered my problem this year. I had gotten the japanese variety instead of chinese. The japanese needs more sun and flowers after leafing out. So now I have to replace it slowly with the chinese variety... I have one that is beautiful—it's been in a pot for about 25 years.


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Pond Chat / Re: Gibralter azalea
« on: May 02, 2007, 06:40:12 PM »
From your link;
"'Apricot Surprise' is a deciduous azalea derived from the native species Rhododendron prinophyllum,
pollinated by an unnamed Exbury hybrid."

Guess I was close...

They sound very nice.

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Pond Chat / Re: Oh Joooooooyce? Japanese Maple question....
« on: May 02, 2007, 03:20:26 PM »
No receipts? It's a goner for sure...

I tried that with our wisteria—no blooms last year and I'll yank it out, so out it comes bloomin like crazy, of course this year not so much...

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Pond Chat / Re: Gibralter azalea
« on: May 02, 2007, 03:15:16 PM »
Yellow, and orange, and fragrant, are you talking about Exbury deciduous hybrids?

If so there is a large grower here. They are called:

Bay Laurel Rhododendrons
1554 Bean Creek Rd
Scotts Valley, CA 95066
(831) 438-3999

They are a wholesaler but if you walk in with cash...

I was always trying to buy occidentalis and he was always trying to sell me the Exburys...

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Pond Chat / Re: Do you know what kind of fish, and snail these are?
« on: May 01, 2007, 09:10:02 PM »
The snail looks very much like the Radix auricularia from this web site. Have to scroll down to the pics.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.glerl.noaa.gov/seagrant/GLWL/Benthos/Mollusca/Gastropods/lymnea_auricularia.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.glerl.noaa.gov/seagrant/GLWL/Benthos/Mollusca/Gastropods/Lymnaeidae.html&h=166&w=200&sz=8&hl=en&start=4&um=1&tbnid=B60MUgaFJHcqDM:&tbnh=86&tbnw=104&prev=/images%3Fq%3DRadix%2Bauricularia%26svnum%3D50%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den%26sa%3DN


Mine appear to be about an inch across or so. I haven't done a thorough examination, as I was hoping they are common and not a problem... Wishful thinking probably... Does anyone else have them or experience with them? Should I be removing them with a vengeance or are they ok? :-X

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Pond Chat / Re: Do you know what kind of fish, and snail these are?
« on: May 01, 2007, 02:43:23 PM »
Johns, that's a lot of fish to choose from. Not sure they look like the Dace on that page, they look more like the Shiners.

The snails do their eggs under water only, in a thick clear gelatin case. The snails don't survive out of water.

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Pond Chat / Do you know what kind of fish, and snail these are?
« on: April 30, 2007, 08:59:30 PM »
I've had these for three years now, got them as babies from a feeder goldfish tank at a local fish shop. Wish I could get more... they are about 4" and very fast. They tolerate 85* water as well as 35* water.



This year I've had an explosion of these snails, which I don't see when they are small but they get to about an inch in diameter. They are laying eggs all over everything drives me nuts—they wrap up the lily leaves before they can open. The egg "sacks" are about 1 1/2 " long.


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Pond Chat / Re: What do you do with all your baby goldfish?
« on: April 30, 2007, 08:52:55 PM »
Do not put them in native waters!!!! >:(- :blowup: :swear:

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/04/29/MNGI3PHO3U1.DTL

I have mosquito fish which I blame for the lack of any fish breeding successfully, besides themselves. I think they are in the Rattus norvegicus family. I'm trying to catch them all to get rid of them if possible... not likely. At least my upper plant filter pond has had tadpoles despite all the frogs (pacific tree frogs) that come to breed—no tadpoles to be seen in the fish pond.

I see the goldies spawn, and look forward to seeing what develops with the color mixes, but not to be.

I also have a pair of these which I don't know what kind of fish they are... they're about 4" long.



Guess it's not so easy to spay or neuter your fish?

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Pond Chat / Re: Cut & Hold Telescopic Pruner
« on: April 22, 2007, 03:13:36 PM »
The rust I got came from inside the aluminum tube at the blade end. Couldn't say if it was from the screws holding the blade or the steel shaft that pulls the blade mechanism. After spotting rust, I made a point of trying to dry it out after use and did use some oil spray, but then I don't feel to good about putting it back in the water. Haven't torn it apart to see where the rust came from. It's surprising given it's aluminum and stainless, but something isn't...

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Pond Chat / Re: Cut & Hold Telescopic Pruner
« on: April 21, 2007, 10:12:00 PM »
Yes those are great. Made by ARS "long arm pruner" They didn't used to have the hold gripper on them. They are limited in diameter of wood they can cut, (especially with the gripper) but make a nice clean cut compared to the old pole pruners. Mine showed a little sign of rusting after I used it to do some underwater pruning...

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Pond Chat / Re: Lotus in the desert
« on: April 17, 2007, 07:41:17 PM »
My lotus didn't start putting on serious growth last year until we had record breaking heat—around 100*

If you can find some time release fertilizer like Osmocote add that to the mix. The soil doesn't need to be really deep nor does the water. Hopefully the water will keep the dogs from eating the manure—if it's well composted that should work, but dogs? Who knows.... You could put a screen mesh over the top till the lotus grows to that point.

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Yes your right the Savio won't pump up to a falls, only a pressure filter will do that, unless the filter unit is gravity fed and you place your pump after the filter... many mechanical filters are done this way, but pump up to a biofilter unit at the falls.

For a pressure filter I think I've read the Ultima is a good one. Given your filtration this should be a great improvement. If you have a Savio skimmer you can bulk up the filtration in there quite a bit. Brushes are a great addition. Are you sending the water from the skimmer to the pressure filter?

A retrofit BD would probably save you some of that labor cleaning the bottom. They aren't the best, but better than no BD. But then there's where to put the mechanical filter for the BD...

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