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My Experiment Begins....
« on: March 19, 2007, 05:21:31 AM »
This year I bought 2 more half wine barrels on clearance at HD.
I also bought 2 more barrel liners, had to go to Lowes to get them. ::)
But instead of the full liners, I bought the shallow liners, only about 10" deep.
I also bought 2 more dwarf lotus on eBay.
So in each of these barrels, I plan on planting the lotus.
I will be using my own compost and recipe, and of course some Osmocote. 8)
Soil will be about 7-8" deep including the 1" of pea gravel.

Hoping to get them planted this weekend. O0
Can't wait to see how they will do. @O@
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Re: My Experiment Begins....
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2007, 08:10:34 AM »
Am I missing something?  What is the experiment?   They don't dare not do well! {nono}
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Re: My Experiment Begins....
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2007, 02:55:43 PM »
The ones I have seen in half  barrels were always planted in the bottom of the full depth liner. So are you saying your preform lays in the bottom or hangs suspended down 10"?

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Re: My Experiment Begins....
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2007, 04:33:52 PM »
I've seen the shallow liners but never quite understood the purpose of them. Let us know how it works for you, OK, Joyce?
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Re: My Experiment Begins....
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2007, 06:20:42 PM »
They'll be beautiful as all of Joyce's plants. I planted penny wart in a half barrel with a 10 inch liner last year and it is overflowing.

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Re: My Experiment Begins....
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2007, 07:34:49 PM »
Yeah, I don't think Joyce ever has grown an ugly plant!

Or maybe she just doesn't post photos of them?... {:-P;;
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Re: My Experiment Begins....
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2007, 11:53:23 PM »
I think the normal idea of the 1/2 liners is for flowers and not having to fill up that barrel with expensive potting soil or heavy dirt making them almost impossible to move.

Joyce how much water ends up being over the lotus tubers then?
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Re: My Experiment Begins....
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2007, 01:28:01 PM »
Yup, all Joyce's plants are beautiful.  I can't wait to see how your experiment turns out, keep us posted.

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Re: My Experiment Begins....
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2007, 08:32:11 AM »
Aww comon Joyce...quite teasing us. We all know how well everything grows for you  {nono}  o(:-)

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Re: My Experiment Begins....
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2007, 08:51:17 AM »
Yep my thoughts exactly .....it'll work for her no matter how she plants it.

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Re: My Experiment Begins....
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2007, 05:10:00 PM »
I had thought those half liners would be great for planting lotus to put in a big pond.  I'll be watching how your experiment goes.
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Re: My Experiment Begins....
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2007, 05:29:50 PM »
will you have to add some type of support on the inside such as a concrete block, upside down pot etc.  seems like with the weight of dirt, water, and plant, it would place a lot of strain on the plastic.
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Re: My Experiment Begins....
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2007, 05:58:19 PM »
I've never used the shallow liners in whiskey barrels, but I do have quite a few that I just plop on the ground. Seems that their lip is pretty sturdy- and the weight is evenly distributed all around the circumference, so it should work just fine.

I really love those things. They're great for just about any plant, especially for temporary storage. My hubby hates them.  ;)
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Re: My Experiment Begins....
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2007, 06:02:17 AM »
Marla, like Karen said, thes eare extremely heavy durty barrel liners, made to carry the weight of the soil and the water. The full half barrel liners I have now in several barrels carry the entire weight on the rim, which is designed to hang on the rim of the wine barrels. I put my barrels up on pot feet too, to keep the steel bands from leaving rust marks on my patio, walkways, and driveway. Since the liner is basically suspended into the barrel, cuz it sits on the rim, it doesn't rest on the wooden bottom (is about .25-1.5" off the bottom, no 2 barrels are the same because of how they are sawed in half), and since I use pot feet, the wooden bottom never rests on the ground. This keeps the wood from rotting, makes my barrels last for years and years.

frloplady, should be 1-2" of water over the tubers when I am done.
Remember, they are dwarf lotus. This is how I have been growing Baby Doll and a few other dwarf lotus.

Sheila, you want pix of my ugly plants? lol
Maybe I'll start a new topic... O0

Esther, these new liners I just bought are less than 12" deep.
They do not go all the way to the bottom. They hang on the rim with a built in lip.
I think they will be fine for my dwarf lotus. 8)

 lol Jerry, yup, most of my plants know better.
I tell everything I plant:
"Go ahead and die...I'll just replace you with something better!"

And if they do die, that is exactly what I do. NO stress.
I am not a stressed out worrywart gardener.
If it dies, it dies. In goes a new plant.  8)
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Re: My Experiment Begins....
« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2007, 07:31:58 AM »
Well seeing as I am receiving my first lotus ever from Tinkster this could be of a great benefit for me. Joyce would you mind going over your formula for planting? I have heard you have the right mix!  I am home from work for a week (had some surgery done) and I may be able to get some small things done with the assistance of my 17 year old son who is home on spring break. I plan to plant it in my pond so how deep can I plant it? Thanks Joyce! looking forward to pictures and your response.
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Re: My Experiment Begins....
« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2007, 03:34:21 PM »
<<Sheila, you want pix of my ugly plants?
Maybe I'll start a new topic...>>

I'll be waiting for it!  ;)
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Re: My Experiment Begins....
« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2007, 05:18:56 PM »
Being that they are smaller liners, how much Osmacorte did you end up using in them?
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Re: My Experiment Begins....
« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2007, 05:59:53 PM »
Here ya go Ele Jefe/Andy...
I tend to give my lotus a LOT of room compared to what I see here on the pond forums.
But then again, I get more blooms. Hmmmm...bigger pots...more blooms. :thinking:
I see people starting lotus in what I consider small pots (12-18"),
and they seem to be happy with a few blooms all summer.
I start most of mine in half barrels. (or any container the size of a half barrel)
I get lots of pad growth, and LOTS of blooms all summer, cuz the lotus has LOTS of nutrient rich soil.
The half barrels are lined with half barrel liners I buy at Home Depot or Lowes.
Then I fill them with compost, or with composted cow manure.
Make sure the cow manure is composted.
So many people have read my directions wrong and used straight cow manure.
Straight cow manure will kill your lotus.
If it smells like poop, it isn't composted.
If it smells like high quality potting soil...it's composted.
Simple. Easy. Foolproof...apparently not. ::)

For the past 2 years I have been making my own compost,
and mixing that with a little composted cow manure.
This year I will plant as many as I can with my own compost, no composted manure until I run out of my compost.
I always throw in about a half cup of Veggie Formula (14-14-14) Osmocote
(Multicote is another brand name that works as good, formula is a bit richer, something like 17-17-17 and it is usually a bit cheaper than Osmocote)
on the bottom of the container/pot*.
(*For the half barrel sized liner. Smaller pots get less Osmocote, read the directions on the Osmocote label!)
I do not mix the Osmocote in with the soil, because I believe the Osmocote granules near the surface of the soil can leach out, and cause excessive algae to bloom in the water. The algae starts way before the lotus starts to grow, and can smother the new lotus shoots. It takes at least a month for the Osmocote to seep up through the soil from the bottom of the pots, and by then, your lotus tuber has rooted, put up some pads, and is looking for more food. It is ready for the supplemental nutrients from the Osmocote.
I top off the compost with pea gravel, only cuz I like the look while the lotus is getting established.
And I use the gravel to weigh down the tuber.
When you use Osmocote, the Osmocote will fertilize your lotus for the rest of the season (4 months),
you don't have to do any monthly fertilization. @O@
This saves you money too, since only one application is necessary for the entire season,
instead of monthly applications of spike or tabs, which if overdone, can burn your lotus to death.
(speaking from experience here :o ::) >:( )
Besides saving money, it saves you time and effort. 8)
 
If you want another way to plant lotus, dig a hole in the ground, at least 3 feet wide by 2 feet deep, and drop a pond liner into it.
Fill it with compost, put your lotus tubers on the top of the soil, and then gently cover them with a 1-2" layer of pea gravel.
You can cover the edges of the pond liner with rocks, and plant the edges with perennials, ornamental grasses, groundcovers.
In the winter, to insulate it you can cover it with a piece of plywood, and put some bagged lawn leaves over it.
Make sure all your lotus pots and ponds are in full sun.
 
I know the way I grow lotus is not for everyone.
Big pots of lotus are hard to move around.
I have a big strong husband, and I am a professional landscape designer,
with access to a lot of hard working Guatemalans,
They help me move my lotus pots into our attached garage for the winter.
Most of my pots can be easily moved with a hand truck by my husband,
with me opening the garden gates and helping him 'steer'.

Marla, haven't potted the new lotus up yet, still floating in a bucket in the garage.
I think I'll use a quarter cup of Osmocote.  :)
 

 
Peace to all  ... Joyce



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