Yup, here again, you'll get a different opinion from every one you talk to. I used to use Barley straw, liquid barley, and barley pellets but don't think it did anything because I haven't used it for a couple of years and see no difference. I also have used the Koi Clay and can't decide it's effectiveness either. I have used a few doses of an algaecide once in a blue moon because of the string algae even with BS. I don't know. I can give no reason that I have never had pea soup water but if I see it starting to go green, I OVER filter and clean the pads a couple times a day until it has settled down. I guess, lots of bio bugs, lots of filtration, low fish load, lots of plant cover helps a lot. I also scoop the mulm from the bottom a couple times a week. I don't have a bottom drain.