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Internet pond site musings
« on: March 16, 2010, 11:10:02 PM »
Internet historical musings re:ponds:




With the "great renaming" that took place in 1987, the "rec" usenet designation began.  This eventually led to a newsgroup called
"rec.ponds".  When I got my home internet service in 1997, I began visiting rec.ponds daily, "meeting" ponders from all over the country,
sharing their experiences and knowledge.  Unfortunately, the structure of the usenet allowed unrestricted access to trolls, and eventually
rec.ponds fell victim.   Due to this lack of moderation, rec.ponds eventually became fodder for trolls and spammers and general mentally
challenged goofballs to the point where it died from non use.  It is still operating but it is 100 percent smut, having absolutely nothing to do
with ponds.  Incredibly the world has produced thousands of mentally ill computer literate geekoids with nothing to do all day long but fill
old newsgroups and abandoned websites with filth and insane rantings. Rec.ponds was reborn as rec.ponds-moderated in 2007 that is ok
and has a few old timers still posting there, but nowhere as many posts as used to be in the day..   Jan Jordan still posts there. Kathy
Thirtyacre does not.

Gardenweb had cranked up in October, 1995, and again I was able to join at the same time as rec.ponds via my home connection.

The Internet Pond Society (IPS) was created in 1996, and I frequently visited it often as well.  Roger Zutterling was the webmaster, and
later on was also webmaster for Watergardening.com. Members that often posted at IPS included, Pamela Ingle, Greg Bickal, Michael J.
Singleton, Jan jordan and Alan Farmer.
By the year 2002, IPS had faded away, with most of its members also posting at Watergardening.com..

Watergardening.com (Greg and Susan Speichert ) was started up April 14, 1997.  When I joined it was a simple bulletin board with no
images or logos, but soon was redone with Roger Zutterling's help into a nicely appointed website forum.
For several years, I divided my online time between GardenWeb and Watergardening.com.  Now Gardenweb had a webmaster by the
name "Spike" that ruled with an iron fist, and regularly banned members for imagined or otherwise rediculous reasons, and many of them
migrated to Watergardening.com, and after a while I dropped out of regularly visiting Gardenweb.  BTW, Gardenweb is now owned by
General Electric.

Watergardening.com was the fun place to be for several years, but by 2005 cracks began to appear in the attention given it by it's owners. 
Over the next two years the site deteriorated until it was abandoned by the Speicherts by 2008.  After the Speicherts abandoned
Watergardening .com it became a hacked porn site. By that time most of the regular members had migrated to American Ponders. 

Watergardening .com is now owned and operated by Aquascape (Jason James,  9 November 2009), after changing name servers 10 times
over three years.  Incidentally, Watergardening.com also was listed a "American Water Garden Society" or AWGS, but were both the same site. 
I must mention three other forums, one of which I have participated and the other two I have not.  Koiphen was created by Justin Pennington in

January 2004, and is still successfully operating.  It's focus is on koi.
The next site is jb-forums.com created by Johnny Brewer in 2000. There was quite a story about how this form came to be.  I notice that
they now have only 33 members, at least one of which is also a member of AP.
Last, there is Newtcity.com, owned by  R J Linburg, created March 25, 2003.

American Ponders was created January 16, 2006 by Gerald Esten and Sean Stevens.  This new site grew as Watergardening.com shrank
and is now my preferred place in the internet pond scene.   It's hard to believe it's been four years already and now boasts 1,382 members.

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Re: Internet pond site musings
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2010, 11:25:44 PM »
Johns, you have one great memory.  The only correction id make is that we have 1425 members!
Sean tells me it's actually a lot more.  He will explain.  i sure can't!

The hacking is sickening.  I will never know what they get out of it.
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Re: Internet pond site musings
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2010, 08:08:29 AM »
Thank you, Johns, for that tidbit of pond forum history that I never knew.

Newt City is not a pond related site though. We need to make that clear.

I am a member of Koiphen (which some split off from and created KoiShack, to which I'm a member), Garden Web(again), and JB's. I'm also a member of Pond Boss. I also have a Yahoo!Group (Pondaholics Anonymous) that was for the club in Florida but have opened it up for anyone to join. There is not a lot of activity in it right now but still has 18 members. I'm also a member of another forum that is not pond related that sorta sprang from Newt City. It is more family oriented.

There is just not enough time in one night to visit all of these forums, so I stick with the best. AP is number one in my list. @O@
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Re: Internet pond site musings
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2010, 10:59:14 AM »
Cool, some tidbits there I didn't know.
I remember "Spike." LOL! He banned me for two weeks and I didn't even have a clue as to why. Remember it was called "sending you to Disneyland?" If he banned you and you tried to log in you would be directed to Disneyland's website. :) Another time I mentioned another ponding forum in a post and he nailed me. LOL! I rarely visit Garden Web anymore.

I belong to Koiphen but don't participate there like I used to. They have chased off a number of the regular members recently by some rather inconsistent moderation. Seems to be o.k. for some to post certain subjects or be rude to other members but not o.k. for others. Its just not as much fun as it used to be.
Its interesting how ponding forums change over the years.
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Re: Internet pond site musings
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2010, 12:03:02 PM »
I'm not active in Koiphen either. I also remember Spike at Garden Web but I wasn't sent to Disneyland until he sold Garden Web. The new owner "slapped my palms" for linking to my clubs website which also had a forum. That's when I signed up here at AP. Since then, I've signed up under a new name because of old friends that were still there. I believe that a few followed me here, like Sean McKinney and Mucky Waters.
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Re: Internet pond site musings
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2010, 12:43:07 PM »
What an idea! @O@
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Re: Internet pond site musings
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2010, 06:58:16 PM »
That was a walk down memory lane. Thanks, Johns.

There was also a pond/koi/goldfish Q&A message board hosted by... Koi USA??? That was before I discovered the Spiechert forum. Richard Eric Carlson was the resident expert on Koi.
If anyone else remembers this...
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Re: Internet pond site musings
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2010, 07:48:38 PM »
That was an interesting read. I am relatively new to ponding forums but have witnessed good and bad forums devoted to other topics. I think it all hinges on good mods. I belong to the musical instrument makers forum, it is well moderated and there is almost never trouble and a TON of good information is shared. On the other hand, I frequent the St. Louis Cardinals message board with very passive moderation, it is troll city. . .

I guess what I am saying is, thanks to Jerry and Sean, keep up the good work! Thanks to the great members here as well.
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Re: Internet pond site musings
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2010, 09:27:14 PM »
I belong to Koiphen and JBs too. And yes Koiphen has their favorites they let be rude and talk down to people. They have in my opion ruined Koiphen. Here we don't have that. And I am glad we don't.

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Re: Internet pond site musings
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2010, 10:07:55 PM »
pondman,
You are corrrect about Newt city not being a pond site, but there was quite a bit of pond related  stuff going on there when it originated, which is why I included it.  The site still has a section dealing with ponds and koi entitled "its all about the hobby", which is all about koi, etc. But,  I know you know this since you have posted on it.

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Re: Internet pond site musings
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2010, 07:13:29 AM »
Never did rec.ponds but was there for IPS and watergardening.com and even garden web . . . never got sent to disneyland by Spike, but saw many friends go there . . .

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Re: Internet pond site musings
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2010, 07:44:09 AM »
pondman,
You are corrrect about Newt city not being a pond site, but there was quite a bit of pond related  stuff going on there when it originated, which is why I included it.  The site still has a section dealing with ponds and koi entitled "its all about the hobby", which is all about koi, etc. But,  I know you know this since you have posted on it.

Yes, I did but not anymore. I'm no longer a member their. The section, "It's all about the hobby", was put up when there were other problems in Koiphen but like Vegas, what happens in Newt City, stays in Newt City.
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Re: Internet pond site musings
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2010, 05:01:52 PM »
Former Koiphlem moderator here.  You do the math...  Come to think about it, I can name three more that are lurking... if they'll admit it.  {:-P;;

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Re: Internet pond site musings
« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2010, 07:18:10 PM »
Years ago Spike really got on my case very good!!!  And to be honest, have never
thought Gardenweb was as good as I did prior to that!!!  I might scan through there
once a week or so.

The  Speicherts are still around so a friend in Missouri that has a nursery told me; and
this person is friends with them.  Seems pretty bad money problems existed. 

Koiphen got bad there for a while. Some people wouldn't post or post their pictures
because they knew they would be belittled.   Let's hope AP never ever gets like that!!!
Always the same rude people who in their own minds knows it all. 

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Re: Internet pond site musings
« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2010, 07:26:32 PM »
Guys contrary to what you may have heard we (me , Sean) are not leaving you.
maybe some changes for the better, but we will be right here at your finger tips!



We do try and we are not always right.  I have lost sleep over recent debacles.  I really mean lost sleep!  Not fun at all.  So many of the arguments are over incredibly petty stuff too.
It is mystifying .   When you get over 1500 people there are bound to be differences in opinion, but so what!  It does not warrant name calling,
Roark:  I think koiphen has over 6000 members? it is amazing they can keep a handle on things.

They were sure good to us when the site was down and were generous in letting us post what was going on.
You would be amazed at the number of "Scammers, we catch and delete.  Sean is a whiz at tracking IP numbers.  I have nipped a few as well, but only when they are obvious.  let's put it this way...if you try to register and say you are Osama Bin Laden, you are gone!  Slight exaggeration here, but not much!

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