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Water fertilizer
« on: April 03, 2010, 06:05:51 AM »
I saw here a while back that adding pot ash to the water will help the plants. Any problems with adding this to pond water? how much at what doseage and how often is it added? I saw solable Pot ash at our local hardware store. it was 60% potasium. Thanks

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Re: Water fertilizer
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2010, 01:04:02 PM »
do you mean potash?

or actually ash from a pot?(no joke)

yes potash is very beneficial

what you want is an npk fert that is preferably high in nitrogen
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Re: Water fertilizer
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2010, 10:18:27 PM »
Mackey,

I am going to copy Larry Laitner's paper on muriate of potash here for you:

"Managing Nutrients to Control Algae

         by Larry Laitner llaitner@rocketmail.com



         Solving the algae problem in a pond is not exactly rocket science but
         it involves several factors that must be understood in an integrated
         manner. Actually it is just basic agricultural science. Put as simply
         as possible the problem is phosphorous. Those of us that have been
         paying attention to environmental rhetoric know that phosphorous
         that gets into our streams, rivers, and lakes causes water quality to
         deteriorate. The same is true of small artificial aquatic systems
         except that the phosphorous doesn't come from external sources, it
         comes from the fish themselves. The problem is that small artificial
         ponds do not have the same range of inputs and outputs so that the
         phosphorous fish produce can accumulate in the system. When the
         phosphorous content becomes high enough planktonic algae grows
         rapidly and the water turns green. It will stay green until the
         phosphorous content of the water decreases.

         A pond system that can tie up dissolved phosphorous as quickly as
         the fish produce it will be clear or nearly so. The key to removing
         dissolved phosphorous from the water is to have vigorous growth of
         vascular plants. Water hyacinths are among the best choices for this
         task. The catch phrase here is "vigorous growth," since it is quite
         possible to have lots of hyacinths in a pond and still have algae.
         What happens here is that the hyacinths do not have all the other
         nutrients to support growth, so that the phosphorous will not be
         removed. In this case the hyacinths will do poorly and the planktonic
         algae will thrive.

         So what nutrients do the hyacinths need to have vigorous growth?
         Ok, here's the agricultural science part. The three main nutrients are
         nitrogen, phosphorous, and potash. If any one of these is missing the
         hyacinths will not grow. There are also some micro-nutrients that
         we will ignore for now. Nitrogen and phosphorous are produced by
         fish and we can safely assume that any pond that has fish will have a
         continuous supply of these nutrients. The source of these nutrients is
         the food that the fish eat and excrete as waste products. Potash,
         which we also know as potassium, can come from the mineral
         content of water that flows onto natural bodies of water.
         Unfortunately, potash is often deficient in artificial ponds. If potash
         is deficient, vascular plants will not grow well and thus will be
         unable to utilize the phosphorous and nitrogen. When this happens
         planktonic algae will bloom and your pond will look like pea soup..

         What usually happens in an artificial pond is vascular plants will
         grow until one of the three nutrients is exhausted. The other two
         nutrients will remain in solution, unusable until the missing nutrient
         is replenished. Then growth will proceed slowly at a rate that is
         controlled by the rate that the missing nutrient is produced. The key
         to clear water is to make sure that the nutrient that runs out first is
         phosphorous. Once this state is achieved the phosphorous the fish
         produce will be utilized almost immediately by the plants that are
         awaiting its production.

         Now the task is to manage the nutrient load in the water so that
         nitrogen and potash are always available. Nitrogen might be
         deficient in a pond that has no fish but will normally be plentiful if
         fish are present. Potash must usually be added to ponds, sometimes
         in substantial quantities. A pond that has had an ongoing "green
         water problem" may accumulate a substantial burden of phosphorous
         over time. When this occurs any added potash will be quickly used
         by the plants that have been starving for it for some time, so several
         additions of potash will have to be made over a period of time.

         How much potash should be added? How often? Tetra Pond makes a
         product called Flora Fin that is a very expensive 6% potash
         solution. They recommend initially adding 165ml of this solution to
         800 gallons of water followed by one half this amount every two
         weeks. My experience is that this amount is often not enough,
         especially if the initial load of phosphorous is substantial. I would
         recommend this full dose at least once a week until the water clears.
         A very cheap potash solution can be made from muriate of potash
         (potassium chloride - KCl), which is available at any garden supply.
         Add 50 grams of muriate of potash to 500 ml of water to create a
         6% potash solution at a cost of about ten cents, or you can just buy
         Flora Fin for about ten dollars a bottle. (Buy several, it doesn't go
         far)

         At the beginning of this discussion I said we would ignore
         micro-nutrients but it is possible that one of these may also be
         lacking. The micro-nutrient most likely to be lacking is iron. One
         way to supplement iron, and the other micros as well, is to add a
         very small quantity of Ironite. Ironite is intended as a lawn fertilizer
         so it comes in a big bag that will last several lifetimes. It also
         contains nitrogen in the form of urea which is toxic to fish if you add
         too much, so go easy. Be particularly cautious with this if your pond
         hasn't been in operation long enough to have colonies of the various
         de-nitrifying bacteria that turn urea into the relatively harmless
         nitrates that your plants will consume. If you are not sure about this
         you can test your water for ammonia.

         If you are successful in managing your nutrients your water will be
         clear, the plants will be a lush dark green color, and hyacinths will
         develop long root structures as they attempt to collect the
         phosphorous as quickly as it is produced. As winter approaches try
         to leave the hyacinths in the pond as long as you can so the
         inevitable winter phosphorous build-up will be minimal. During the
         winter continue to add your potash solution once a month or so as
         long as your pond isn't frozen over. During the winter you will
         probably have some filament type of algae grow on the sides of the
         pond as the various nutrient processes continue at reduced pace. The
         filament algae will tie up phosphorous at least temporarily (until the
         fish eat it) but that will suffice since fish do not excrete much
         phosphorous in the winter. In the spring get the hyacinths in the pond
         as early as frost allows and boost the potash again at that time.

         It is imperative that the hyacinths be removed from the system either
         when the frost comes if you live in an area where winter conditions
         occur or on an ongoing basis in frost free areas. The hyacinths tie up
         the phosphorous; only you can remove it. If you leave the hyacinths
         to rot, the phosphorous will be returned to the water.

         Your fish probably don't care much about the color of the water but
         most humans like the water clear so they can see the fish. If you
         manage your pond's nutrients you should have clear water most of
         the year with only a slight murkiness in the spring during the time
         between the awakening of fish metabolism and the arrival of your
         hyacinths."

Mackey,  in June of 2001 the following recipe was posted on Garden Web:

2-3 Tablespoons of potash to 1 pint of water. Then 1/8 cup of that mixture per 100
     gal. of pond water per week. One cup of mixture treats 800 gal......1 pint of mixture
     treats 1600 gal.....etc., etc.


The only caution would be that muriate of potash contains 40 to 60 percent chlorine, and some ponders use as little as they can to get the desired result.  Others throw a cupfull into the biofilter of a 2,000 gallon pond because they are convinced that the chlorine is not "free chlorine" and thus will not hurt the fish.  I use
5 tablespoons in my 2,700 gallon pond, but only twice durnig the summer.  I put it in one tablespoon a day for five days, rather than dumping all of it in at once.  It is always best to make environmental changes slowly where fish are concerned.

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Re: Water fertilizer
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2010, 09:47:04 AM »
Thanks for this great information

 

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