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Osmocote??
« on: June 11, 2010, 07:40:10 PM »
I am not trying to start an argument, so please do not take this the wrong way, anyone.  :)  It is just my observation and opinion. I have had ponds for over 20 years, and currently have several hundred lilies, and around 80 lotuses. During this time I have never had a plant have fertilizer burns because I use pond fertilizer tablets. I have no problem with Osmocote, and have used and currently use it on land plants. I also use Monty's Joy Juice on my plants. My plants have been healthy and vigarous. I do not care if people want to use Osmocote. I understand why some people use tomato stakes. If it works for you, that is great. I do feel, however, that Osmocote is being consistantly pushed as though it is the only "right" way to fertilize your water plants. I do not know everyone's pond organization politics, but I do know that some people very involved  and experienced in ponds developed the fertilizer tablets, and there are several brands to chose from. On the forum, from what I have observed, Osmocote gets more advertising than our sponsers, and they do not have to pay for the advertizing. Unless some have stock in the company, their constant brandishing it is only done to convince others that their way is the only way it can be done. It is my opinion that all can be effective ways of fertilizing your plants, and whatever works for you should be what you do. I think that it is time we stop pushing a product, or post those posts in the trade/sale forums.  :hug:

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Re: Osmocote??
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2010, 07:51:28 PM »
Amen to that Frank.

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Re: Osmocote??
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2010, 08:05:12 PM »
I have used different brands of pond tabs,  tomato spikes some times and Osmocote sometimes and guess what, sometimes I didn't fertilize at all. I know nothing about any of their content or capabilities and have had no adverse affects from using either. I have no reason to say, "yay or nay" to any of them. But again I am not a specialist about anything to do with ponds. I'm just enjoying my little piece of heaven to the best of my ability.

But I will say one thing----If Osmocote knew how well they were advertised here, they might send some of their product to the main advertiser. One time I went on and on about JB Weld here, and then sent the link to the company. I received a few tubes of JB Weld, a clock, some pens and note pads, and stickers. These companies show their appreciatiation for the free advertisement sometimes.

I guess Frank that when someone is convinced about something, whether it be a product or anything else, it is only natural that they would try to convince others of the value of that item so that they can be as satisfied with it as they are. I don't see it as anything negative because in the end, we all make our own decisions. It's only when the use or non use of that product or item begins to be used as a determination of another's intelligence or worth, that I take offense.


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Re: Osmocote??
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2010, 08:36:07 PM »
I only use it on my lotus's ...I use something else on my waterlilies & they bloom like crazy for me ..
Whatever works the best...most of us have our own fertilizer we use & like .
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Re: Osmocote??
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2010, 08:43:00 PM »
Frank I think osmocote works good and I use it in all types of plants.
I think it is up to someone whether you use it or not.
I used some pondtabs that were not doing anything, so I have been very pleased with osmocote.
Besides that it is easier and cheaper to aquire a big bottle of osmocote. O0
But I will love to try different ways if it was easier for me to aquire them.
I hope the osmocote people will start selling their products at our home depots or lowes down here...
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Re: Osmocote??
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2010, 09:14:55 PM »
I have used Osmocote, tree stakes, tomato stakes, Pondtabbs with humates, and the pond tablets (higher nitrogen) at the local nursery. The Osmocote 14-14-14 gives great tuber growth, not so much flower production, and leaves me with little yellow round things on the pond bottom with the sand that comes out of the pots. Tree stakes and the local nursery pond tablets don't offer the same level of growth, but leave me with a lump of gross smelly black ick in the pot to get rid of when repotting, makes me think they don't give up nutrients well. Tomato stakes are so flimsy they rubberize before I can push them into the soil. Pondtabbs I find give me much better flower production, but not a lot of tuber growth, and I have to add them more frequently 2-3 times a season, but there is nothing left of them at season's end. Making me think they dissolve well. I also don't have a blast of algae when using the tabbs.

So I use a little Osocote and Pondtabbs when repottiing. I'm not partial to Osmocote. I'll use whatever sustained release pelleted Osmocote type fertilizer that's cheap at HD...

When I sell folks my potted lilies I show them the pondtabbs, I add one to the soil when they take home a plant. I tell them they can use Osmocote when repotting because I know most folks are familiar with it and it works. Pond specific fertilizers at the local nurseries are expensive and don't work well...

I think we use what works and avoid what doesn't, but it takes time to learn these things—thankfully we have forums to save time in the learning process.

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Re: Osmocote??
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2010, 09:25:38 PM »
I am not trying to say that any of the products do or do not work. We have tutorials that can make suggestions. We have forums for pumps, filters, plants and things that are sold. What you are all saying is what I was trying to say, each one can determine what works best for them. We can offer experiences, opinions and suggestions, but it seems to be that the promotion of a product has got out of hand. As I said, that is my opinion. Thanks all, for yours.

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Re: Osmocote??
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2010, 09:52:08 PM »
As long as that promotion doesn't cause harm, I see no problem.

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Re: Osmocote??
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2010, 10:00:32 PM »
So if we say "time release" instead of a name brand you wouldn't have a problem with  it?

Just asking

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Re: Osmocote??
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2010, 10:02:26 PM »
I have never used Osmocote or Multicote but always have multitudes of blooms from my Terrestrial and Aquatic plants for one reason only, any fertilizer is better than none and I give what I can with the simple rule that blooming plants require at least a ratio of 1:5:3 NPK.
Any fertilizer is better than none and if you can not give what they really want an equal ratio is a wonderful fertilizer strategy. So if you can not do the 1:5:3 NPK ratio an even ratio of 10:10:10 or 14:14:14 or 20:20:20 will still be better than nothing at all.
Remember folks, fertilize within the limits of you plants ability to absorb, do not over fertilize or you will burn the roots and kill you plants!

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Re: Osmocote??
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2010, 10:05:11 PM »
Sue, that would be fine. I like Osmocote. Just tired of the commercials in the posts.
Sean, thanks. That is excellent advice, without the commercial.

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Re: Osmocote??
« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2010, 10:15:05 PM »
I'm kind of puzzled why you think it is such a big issue that you needed to post about it.  I have to say, I don't really believe that you didn't want to start something.  You protest too much.  In fact, I think it would be a good thing if people would just let some of these really immaterial things go.  It all seems rather juvenile to me.  I suppose now is when I say this is just my opinion and I don't want to start anything??  Please.

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Re: Osmocote??
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2010, 10:19:52 PM »
Thanks, Jonna, but I do not think I am being juvenile by saying I am tired of the commercials. And, what may be immaterial to you is your opinion. Thank you for expressing it.
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Re: Osmocote??
« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2010, 10:21:45 PM »
Thanks Frank, I don't buy commercial fertilizers except Colourburst because it is the best formula I have found for terrestrial plants and also works for Aquatics and a big bag is cheap here in Canada. It is granular but not slow release.

I only suggest people fertilize always, as some is always better than none and a little frequently is better than a lot all at once.
Be responsible with your plants folks and you will be rewarded beyond you expectations...

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Re: Osmocote??
« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2010, 10:38:13 PM »
Again, I agree Sean. There are so many differences as to climate, pond size, type plants, frequency and ease of feedings, desires as to foliage, bloom. or tuber, that recommendations can be made, but all plants should be fertilized appropriately. Still, no need for commercial. We are all striving for the best results for our efforts. We all can agree to that!

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Re: Osmocote??
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2010, 10:44:59 PM »
Again, I agree Sean. There are so many differences as to climate, pond size, type plants, frequency and ease of feedings, desires as to foliage, bloom. or tuber, that recommendations can be made, but all plants should be fertilized appropriately. Still, no need for commercial. We are all striving for the best results for our efforts. We all can agree to that!
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Re: Osmocote??
« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2010, 11:15:13 PM »
I am glad I stumbled upon this for a new friend has given me some nice lilys. I was ready to do the holy osmocote batch but was going to ask if it was good for koi ponds rather than simply a mud pond. I have the 3/4 by 1 inch plant tabs avaiable but wanted to get my Blue capinsith and king of siam off to a good start. (sorry about the spelling).

Do I do the holy osmocote or the pond tabs? any thoughts appreciated.

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Re: Osmocote??
« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2010, 11:22:39 PM »
I am glad I stumbled upon this for a new friend has given me some nice lilys. I was ready to do the holy osmocote batch but was going to ask if it was good for koi ponds rather than simply a mud pond. I have the 3/4 by 1 inch plant tabs avaiable but wanted to get my Blue capinsith and king of siam off to a good start. (sorry about the spelling).

Do I do the holy osmocote or the pond tabs? any thoughts appreciated.

Again, anything is better than nothing and less is more. Watch your plants, the key with aquatics is they feed heavily and will stall out quickly as nutrients diminish. If you find your plants slowing in growth and bloom production, another small dose of fertilizer will quickly remedy the situation.
This goes for any plants that rely on sustenance for growth...

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Re: Osmocote??
« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2010, 11:37:30 PM »
Thanks Sean. I have been tabbing my lillys I recieved from Kat last year. They are in a clay soil. They are doing great. I was wondering if the osmocote compost system was the way to go. I have 15 koi in this same pond.

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Re: Osmocote??
« Reply #19 on: June 12, 2010, 04:25:33 AM »
I've used chopped up citrus tree spikes, Pondtabs, currently using Colorburst mixed in with veggie formula Osmocote, & Jobe's Tomato Spikes. The tabs & spikes are handy if I don't want to unpot a lily (Lily Pons in particular), but so far I'm getting the best growth & bloom production since I switched to Osmocote a couple years back. Pondtabs (or spikes) got too costly to use with the number of lilies I have, and nor do I have the time to push tablets into the pots every couple of months. Don't have access to wholesale prices to get the tabs. I post what works for me, doesn't mean that it is the best for everyone. It is just SO easy to go to the store that carries it all the time, don't have to mess with remembering when I fertilized, etc. The only drawback that I can see is that Osmocote does such a good job with my tropicals that they don't tuber. Therefore I'll have to use less & work at stressing them more to get better tuber production. Everyone has got their opinion on what works for them.

Is there a vendor here that carries the fertilizer products specifically made just for water lilies?  Prices?


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Re: Osmocote??
« Reply #20 on: June 12, 2010, 04:50:32 AM »
I grew up calling Miracle Whip "Mayo" and all soda was refered to as "Coke" (Do you want a coke?)  I ASSume that OSMOCOTE is just a code word for "time release" fertilizer.  I buy store brand because it has the bigger middle number.

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Re: Osmocote??
« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2010, 05:30:21 AM »
I grew up calling Miracle Whip "Mayo" and all soda was refered to as "Coke" (Do you want a coke?)  I ASSume that OSMOCOTE is just a code word for "time release" fertilizer.  I buy store brand because it has the bigger middle number.
Sue you hit the nail on the head when it comes to me advising osmocote....I have been using muliticote myself for a while because I found it at a store going out of business and was able to buy 5 big bottles of it for $1.50 each...but, its so easy just to say osmocote rather than a slow release formula...Osmocote is carried by most stores and you can't go in the store to hold someone's hand and help them pick out a slow release formula--I've also found that if I'm not specific in my instructions then most of my customers just get lost....so I tell them Osmocote in the pink bottle--so much simpler than going thru the differences between fertilizer ratios.....
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Re: Osmocote??
« Reply #23 on: June 12, 2010, 08:29:27 AM »
Good point about using the word Osmocote for any multirelease. Kleenex is another one in this household.

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Re: Osmocote??
« Reply #24 on: June 12, 2010, 08:55:51 AM »
Regarding Osmocote and aquatic plant fertilization:

When I first tried growing water lilies, the reference books all made
suggestions such as: "These plants need good, heavy loam, or clay soil
enriched with one sixth of its bulk of decayed cow manure..."
(Reader's Digest Complete Book of The Garden, 1966), and " For
soil, fill the boxes three parts good garden loam mixed with one part
well rotted cow manure, plenty of bone meal and some blood meal is
best..." (The Complete Book of Garden Magic, M. E. Biles, 1956).
While some would applaud the old "Green/organic" procedure, can
you say GREEN WATER?

The advent of hybrid water lilies and their need for higher levels
of nutrients to support their high rates of blooming led to the use of
regular fertilizer to support this need.  In order to provide such a
high level of nutrients and also keep the nutrient load out of the water
column, the procedure of encasing the fertilizer in a ball of clay was
developed.  It was discovered that the nutrients would actually bind
with the clay molecules, keeping them out of the water column and
still be available to the plant.  But to keep the ferilizer below the
"burn" level, it was necessary to fertilize the plant often.  To avoid
having to pull the pots from the ponds several times a year to add
fertilizer, the use of pond tabs came into vogue.  Using a probe, the
tab could be inserted into a pot without removing it from the water.
Nutrients in the water column would still result, however.  Using time
release fertilizer allows one to add enough nutrients to last the entire
growing season when repotting is done in the early spring.  Packing
clay around the fertilizer and placing it in the bottom of the pot keeps
the nutirients available to the plant and out of the water column as
noted above.

Now as far as I can tell, I was the first to mention using Osmocote in
water lilies and lotus on Garden Web back in 1999, and additionally,
the process may even have originated with me, as when I began using
it I had not heard of anyone else doing so. So if you want to blame
someone for plugging the product, I'm your man.  Because Osmocote
was the first widely available time release fertilizer to come on the
market back in the early 1970's and because it was the only one for
years, the term became pretty much synonymous with "time release".
It was not until the early 1980's that the product began to be sold to
consumers, rather than just commercial producers and that is when I
was first able to purchase it in plain paper bags filled from a
greenhouse's 50 pound bag by a very helpful employee.  Multicote, by
Haifa, was not on the market until the 1990's.
 For the most part, if someone went to their garden store and asked
for "time release fertilizer" they were apt to be looked at funny, but if
they asked for Osmocote, the clerk knew immediately what was being
asked for.  Anytime I use the term "Osmocote" it is not to advertise a
particular company, just as in the vernacular If you say "Google
something" you are really saying "Use whatever search engine you
like, but look it up on the Web".

Now for a reprint of a post I made to IWGS nine years ago in August
of 2001:


"There may be some confusion about the action of timed-release
fertilizers as they apply to feeding water lilies over the summer
growing season.

Allow me to elucidate:

I use a timed-release fertilizer known as "Multicote 6", manufactured
by Tri Pro Inc.  It is labeled as 15-15-15, but includes 1% Magnesium
and .15% iron.  It is a polymer coated NPK fertilizer programmed to
release nutrients continuously at a rate adjusted to plant
requirements.  The release rate is governed by temperature.
Multicote 6 releases nutrients evenly over 6 months at 70 degrees.
The release rate is affected only by temperature, not by moisture, nor
by bacterial action.  Below are the release rates for various average
temperatures:

Average Temperature                    Longevity
              60                                       7-8 months
              70                                        6 months
              80                                       4-5 months
              90                                    3-4 months

One can easily see that in a climate such as zone 7a in which I reside,
that even if the pond water temperature was at an average of 90
degrees for 3-4 months, that the timed release fertilizer would last at
least that long. In other words, assuming that water average
temperature was 90 degrees all summer long and you fertilize with
this product on May 1st, it would be actively releasing nutrients
continuously THROUGH at least  mid-August.  Not bad, even at the
worst case.  Actually, my pond water NEVER approaches 90 degrees,
or even above 80 degrees, and the average temperature from April 1st
(when I do most of my repotting) through September is closer to 70
degrees, giving me nutrient release all the way from may 1st to
September 30.  Not only that, but the release increases as
temperature rises, and decreases as temperature falls, matching the
water lilies demand for nutrients, as they grow faster at warmer
temperatures and slower as temperatures drop.

In my never so humble opinion, this beats the nada out of pulling a
hundred or so pots out of the pond every month to shove in a tab or
chunk of tree spike."

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Re: Osmocote??
« Reply #25 on: June 12, 2010, 01:48:34 PM »
Interesting Johns.  Guess after all this lecture on fertilizing  :-\  I'd better get myself out there and get to work.

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Re: Osmocote??
« Reply #26 on: June 12, 2010, 05:13:34 PM »
I've tried Osmocote, didn't notice any difference from the way I use to fertilize, and this year, I'm going back to composted manure and pond tabs or tomato spikes, whichever is available and cheapest.
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Re: Osmocote??
« Reply #27 on: June 12, 2010, 06:14:31 PM »
I never find the aqua tabs.  I order tomato spikes from Amazon.

i had suggested to Scott (Pondman) that he make a spike and market it.  I am half tempted myself, but have too much to do as it is.
I do use the time release stuff, seems costly though.
I took Johns advise long ago and use those jumbo tree or bush spikes and just break them up for Lillie's.  Am I cheap?  I think so too! @O@
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Re: Osmocote??
« Reply #28 on: June 13, 2010, 03:23:54 AM »
  Jerry they do make a spike and it is time released and is supposed to last a year---I see them in my drs. foster and smith catalogs all the time...
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Re: Osmocote??
« Reply #29 on: June 13, 2010, 06:59:44 AM »
Thanks Lawana, I will check it out.
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