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How to build a Bog Garden and what to plant in it
« on: January 23, 2007, 11:21:13 AM »
I would love to know. I have seen quite a few Ponds with bog plants next to it in a small bog garden. I know they have a specific soil requirement so if you know and you have any experience I would love to here it! Andy
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Re: How to build a Bog Garden and what to plant in it
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2007, 11:54:11 AM »
I saw one at a Koi society event. it was not impressive, BUT, they had NO filter.  That is very impressive!
oh yes very clear water.
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Re: How to build a Bog Garden and what to plant in it
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2007, 03:34:11 PM »
Take a look at this...
http://www.nelsonwatergardens.com/boggardenconstruction.pdf

This is from Nelson Watergardens here in TX. Rolf is the owner and has been in ponding for a very long time as well as one of the founders of the IWGS. The gravel bog is the sort that I added onto my big above ground pond. It was retrofitted to the pond 3 years after the fact and has kept my water crystal clear. I chose not to do the one with soil because it does mess up water clarity for a few days and any time you do any major adjustments in the bog.
It also has a list of suitable plants.
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Re: How to build a Bog Garden and what to plant in it
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2007, 11:24:12 AM »
Very informative Tim.  A site worth hanging on to.
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Re: How to build a Bog Garden and what to plant in it
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2007, 07:06:38 AM »
Sorry Timgod I meant to post a thank you here for that link. Great info. Wish we had a workshop here for that. 1 nursery does them and they are great. Andy
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Re: How to build a Bog Garden and what to plant in it
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2007, 10:08:30 AM »
I put off the hassle of retrofitting mine for several years. I was amazed that in the space of one day after building it how clear my water was. I had never had cloudy water but there was still an amazing difference. I would not have believed that rocks could trap so much sediment and junk.

One thing I did learn by way of a mistake was the following. Twice I developed leaks and had to haul out the rocks to find the hole in the liner as mine is about 2' off of the ground. The preferred method is to have the holes in the PVC pointing down. I was using rainbow rock pebbles. My pump was powerful enough that it would force some space around some of the small pebbles allowing them to be churned around. The motion over time caused a hole. I have since turned the holes in the PVC up and moved up to the large smooth river rock. It was more expensive but I have not had any problems for the last 6 months.

I had never been able to get my black taros over about 3' tall here because of the high sunlight and excessive heat. Even planted in a 8" pot it got to almost 6 ' in the bog.
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Re: How to build a Bog Garden and what to plant in it
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2007, 06:29:24 AM »
WOW This gives me a great Idea!!  You may have given me the answer to my problem!!  @O@ Because of all the suspended silt in my pond the water always looks green. I put my old old mechanical filter on it and that didn't even slow it down. I need something larger nd by jove I think you have got it! Now I have to research this more to see what a pond my size would take!!  O0
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Re: How to build a Bog Garden and what to plant in it
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2007, 07:46:15 AM »
For best results, it needs to have between 10 and 20% of the total pond surface area. I've seen pics of yours and agree with Mike that yours is almost considered a lake. I am sure a bog would help your clarity but in your case it will be a rather large undertaking. I asked Rolf before building mine if it needed to be as deep as my pond. He said that the volume is not as important as the surface area.
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Re: How to build a Bog Garden and what to plant in it
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2007, 09:59:33 AM »
Hmm food for thought... ::)
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Re: How to build a Bog Garden and what to plant in it
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2007, 10:20:47 PM »
Quote from: Timgod on January 23, 2007, 03:34:11 PM
Take a look at this...
http://www.nelsonwatergardens.com/boggardenconstruction.pdf

This is from Nelson Watergardens here in TX. Rolf is the owner and has been in ponding for a very long time as well as one of the founders of the IWGS. The gravel bog is the sort that I added onto my big above ground pond. It was retrofitted to the pond 3 years after the fact and has kept my water crystal clear. I chose not to do the one with soil because it does mess up water clarity for a few days and any time you do any major adjustments in the bog.
It also has a list of suitable plants.
Tim
I just read a feature on him today in my The water Gardener magazine. His place got the Shop Tour profile this month. Way to go Mr. Nelson. Also thanks for the great link I printed his info to go into my ever growing huge book of knowladge.
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Re: How to build a Bog Garden and what to plant in it
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2007, 06:56:33 PM »
Wow, your Black taro leaves look huge ! Are they or is it the angle u took the picture?
The bog garden looks Great !
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Re: How to build a Bog Garden and what to plant in it
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2007, 09:38:08 AM »
The few bog gardens I have created, I have drilled small holes about 2-4" down from the level of the crowns of the plants on the sides of the planters (all around the sides), seems to make them grow better. This way the feet stay wet all the time, and the crowns drain off a bit. Some marginal and bogs plants don't like to be submerged all the time, because in nature, they are only submerged after heavy rains. The rest of the time, their feet (roots) are wet or soggy.

Here is one I did in an urn, with holes drilled on the sides about 2-3" below the surface of the soil.
(no bottom holes in the urn)


You can't really see the holes, cuz they are only about the size of a large drill bit. No more than 1/4" in diameter.
I drill them about 4-5" apart all the way around the perimeter of the container.
Yes, those leaves are huge, at least 24" long, 18" wide.
Growing in composted cow manure with Osmocote.

Oh, this bog garden has a black taro, Golden Hakone Grass and a Creeping Impatiens. (yellow blooms)
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Re: How to build a Bog Garden and what to plant in it
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2007, 09:40:33 AM »
Oh, the bigger the pot, the bigger the taro, no matter WHERE you live.
Plant a taro in a half barrel and it'll get HUGE! :)

An 8" pot will 'bonsai' a taro.
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Re: How to build a Bog Garden and what to plant in it
« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2007, 12:52:28 PM »
OMG Joyce,That is absolutely beautiful!  o(:-) In my climate where We have hot summers and freezing long winters how would I winter one? Also shade or sun? Thanks for sharing that.
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Re: How to build a Bog Garden and what to plant in it
« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2007, 01:08:19 PM »
Mine was in morning sun, mid day shade, then late afternoon sun. (under a big maple tree)
So basically it didn't get full sun during the hottest part of the day.
I dragged it into the garage (attached to our house, gets really cold but never freezes) every winter.

We get pretty hot int the summers too.
You have to top it off with water every day. :)
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« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2007, 01:39:27 PM »
Thanks Joyce. My DH's shop freezes and it would be way to big to bring in the house. I'll have to do some more research on wintering them how to's. Man if I could only get the green house wired so I could keep a heater going in there! I could winter over lots of goodies.
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« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2007, 08:57:34 PM »
Just wanted to update the link for the Nelson Water Garden bog instructions.  They must have mosved their page:
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