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Cast Concrete pond edging
« on: October 13, 2012, 03:01:10 PM »
Does anyone know if there is a way to make or treat concrete so it does not absorb water and break then freeze and break.

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Re: Cast Concrete pond edging
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2012, 11:07:26 PM »
Concrete can be made freeze/thaw resistant using one or more of several techniques.  Waterproofing can be accomplished through the use of additives know as integral crystalline waterproofers, such as Penetron or Xypex.  These products can be mixed as an additive to the original concrete mix or applied as a coating that penetrates concrete.  They work by reacting with infiltrating water to form silicate crystals that grow into the pores of the concrete and block water penetration.

My personal experience has been with using three specific additions to the concrete mix:  Polyvinyl alcohol (PVA) fibers, metakaolin, and acrylic emulsion admix.  PVA fiber is available from concrete countertop suppliers.  It greatly strengthens concrete and greatly reduces shrinkage cracking, which is one of the sources of water penetration that causes failure in freeze/thaw environments.  Metakaolin is a powdered additive that is classed as a pozzolan, a substance that, by itself, is not a cement, but reacts with cement products to create more cementitious product. Other pozzolans include fly ash and silica fume, but metakaolin is more effective. When added to the concrete mix as a 10 to 20 percent cement replacement, it greatly increases concrete's compressive and flexural strength, fills spaces between cement particles, leading to decreased porosity, and, by reacting with the calcium hydroxide product of curing, reduces the alkalinity of concrete and eliminates efflorescence.  The decreased alkalinity and efflorescence is important to maintaining desirable pond chemistry. Acrylic emulsion, also sold as acrylic bonding and curing agent or as acrylic fortifier, is sold under many brand names, such as Thoro's Acryl 60, Laticrete, Dayton-Superior J40, or Quikrete Acrylic Fortifier.  I buy a brand that is 50% solids and dilute it in the ratio of 3 parts water to 1 part acrylic.  This is the liquid that is used, then, to make the concrete mix.  The acrylic additive increases concrete strength, acts as a curing agent to reduce shrinkage cracking, speeds the attainment of cure strength, and reduces the porosity of the concrete, creating a cured concrete that stands up well to the stresses of freeze/thaw environments.  I also recommend sealing the concrete with a penetrating solvent-based sealing compound.  Look for a sealer that contains xylene (xylol) as the solvent.  You may have to settle for a less-desirable water-based product, as some states have banned the solvent-based sealers for environmental concerns.

With the use of additives like metakaolin and PVA fiber in the dry mix, the use of acrylic in the liquid part of the mix design, and sealing the finished product, the concrete should stand up to even the harshest of freeze/thaw conditions.
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Re: Cast Concrete pond edging
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2012, 08:01:40 PM »
Thanks for taking the time to respond dperry, that is a lot of information.

I used to have a formal pond inside a greenhouse.   Cement pavers along the side where condensation dripped tended to crumble.   The bricks that sat on top the liner, half in the water, were even worse.

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Re: Cast Concrete pond edging
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2012, 11:01:48 PM »
Concrete pavers are notoriously poor in resisting crumbling from freeze/thaw cycles.  One of the methods I recommend for pond edging, especially those with rubber liners, is to make concrete edging to fit the contours of your pond.  Simply cut pieces of expanded metal or hardware cloth slightly smaller than the desired finished size.  Bend the metal in an "L" shape to cover the edge on top and around into the water.  Make up a mix of concrete as I've described and put a smooth coat on the bottom of the metal "L" and let it harden overnight.  Cover the top surface to the finished size, shape and texture of the desired rock. Make a set of these L-shaped rocks in varying sizes, thicknesses and textures to make them look natural.  Make the part of the edgers that sits on top thicker and heavier than the part that extends into the pond water so that they are not easily knocked into the water. Placed on the edge of the pond, they will conceal the rubber liner very effectively.
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Re: Cast Concrete pond edging
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2012, 09:38:36 AM »
I would have told you exactly what dperry did if I had a clue. Dperry is exactly what a good pond site needs. Thank you for these great responses. I look forward to bouncing some questions off you with my next project.

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Re: Cast Concrete pond edging
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2012, 04:18:25 PM »
If you get a chance click on the link for his youtube video's.

He gives step by step instructions.

Amazing  O0


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Re: Cast Concrete pond edging
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2012, 04:44:38 AM »
If you get a chance click on the link for his youtube video's.

He gives step by step instructions.

Amazing  O0
Great vids dperry thanks again.

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Re: Cast Concrete pond edging
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2012, 12:55:16 PM »
Over the last few days, I went out to the garage and made a video of how to make concrete pond edging.  I hope you enjoy it and it is helpful.  Please leave comments and let me know if it is something you were looking for.

http://youtu.be/I-MOVa_kXJo

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Re: Cast Concrete pond edging
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2014, 12:18:00 PM »
great job Don!
I did similar but way too small. My idea was good, just did it in an ameteurish way
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Re: Cast Concrete pond edging
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2014, 05:12:20 PM »
As this thread was mostly about concrete, you might be interested in a new video I recently posted to YouTube.  It is about the concrete mix I now use.  I've added a new ingredient that makes work proceed faster.  I modify the mix somewhat when I'm doing vertical concrete.  The second video is my latest project using this mix.  I'm converting my chain-link fence to a stone wall.

http://youtu.be/etSWuBIcdZc?list=UUqPS0DrwD3NZKtFJQjFEN_g

http://youtu.be/RADNKKdnSNo?list=UUqPS0DrwD3NZKtFJQjFEN_g
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Re: Cast Concrete pond edging
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2014, 06:34:14 PM »
you are a genius!  Loved it all.
The city destroyed my chain link fence, I plan a block wall. No they won't pay the difference.  If I were younget i'd tackle your project. Just too much work involved.(I have well over 100 feet)   I love what you did and I think the mix you came up with will be especially good on some smaller projects I plan, god willing! O0 O0 O0 ^B
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Re: Cast Concrete pond edging
« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2022, 08:24:59 AM »
Cast concrete is perfect for a pond or stream, it can be formed into almost any shape and can be decorated to give a realistic stone or brick effect.  We cast concrete in place against the wall of the pond to make a pool. Montgomery Concrete Driveway Contractors is helpful to make a perfect and strong pond. Their work is admirable.
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