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Would like to give a lotus a try this summer
« on: February 24, 2007, 04:50:11 PM »
Hi there!
I'm a long-time lurker coming out of hibernation.  The weather is finally turning a little warmer here in Ohio  and I'm starting to think about gardening again.  My 450 gal pond (about 5-6 goldfish) seems to have overwintered fine.
Last year, I also did a whiskey barrel on the deck, loved it! :D
This summer, I would like to give a lotus a try.  I cannot fit any more plants in the pond, the bottom is covered with lily pots.  I would love to do a small lotus in a pot on the deck.  Any suggestions, ideas, pictures?
I just went to Garden Ridge and picked up 6 flower pots, will go back for bigger ones. 
thanks!
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Re: Would like to give a lotus a try this summer
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2007, 12:55:03 AM »
Baby Doll Lotus would make a good one for a pot.  I'll try to post a pic of it tomorrow for ya.  I started 2 years ago with Lotus, bought one.  Loved it, last year it bloom really good.  Last year I bought the Baby Doll, and it bloomed well too.  Haven't made up my mind what I might get this year. 


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Re: Would like to give a lotus a try this summer
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2007, 06:49:16 AM »
Thanks Kim,
How do you overwinter it?
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Re: Would like to give a lotus a try this summer
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2007, 07:07:04 AM »
I second the motion on Baby Doll, grew it in a low Grecian style bowl.
It's in the attached garage for the winter. (doesn't freeze in there)





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Re: Would like to give a lotus a try this summer
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2007, 08:12:50 AM »
Joyce... you have the most beautiful things.. I am always amazed by your photos.  How do you keep skeeters out of the pots.
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Re: Would like to give a lotus a try this summer
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2007, 08:22:09 AM »
Thanks Charlotte!
I have betta fish in some pots, and I use mosquito dunks granules in all of my pots.
I even mix the mosquito dunk granules into my aquatic potting mix.
Seems to last longer when mixed into the soil, constantly seeping out instead of getting washed away by rains and our inground sprinkler system. 8)
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Re: Would like to give a lotus a try this summer
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2007, 08:29:41 AM »
Thanks Joyce!

That's exactly what I'm looking for.  How is the lotus planting in that pot?  Is there dirt on the bottom or is it in a separate pot?  And what is the delicate looking plant that in the same pot with the lotus in your picture?

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Re: Would like to give a lotus a try this summer
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2007, 08:46:26 AM »
Eija, I was just emailing someone about my planting process, so I'll copy and paste the e mail here...

I tend to give my lotus a LOT of room compared to what I see online at the pond forums.
I see people starting them in little pots (12-18"), and they are happy with a few blooms all summer.
I start most of mine in half barrels. (or any container the size of a half barrel)
I get lots of pad growth, and LOTS of blooms all summer, cuz the lotus has LOTS of room to grow.
The half barrels are lined with a half barrel liner I buy at Home Depot or Lowes.
Then I fill them with compost, with composted cow manure. Make sure the cow manure is composted.
So many people have read my directions wrong and used straight cow manure. Straight cow manure will kill your lotus.
For the past 2 years I have been making my own compost, and mixing that with a little composted cow manure.
I always throw in at least a half cup of Osmocote (Multicote is another brand name that works as good) on the bottom of the container/pot.
I do not mix the fertilizer in with the soil, because I believe it cause excessive algae to bloom in the water, and the algae can smother the lotus. It takes at least a month for the Osmocote to seep up through the soil, and by then, your lotus tuber has rooted in real well, put up some pads, and used up a lot of the nutrients in the compost/soil. It is ready for the nutrients from the Osmocote.
I top off the soil with pea gravel, only cuz I like the look while the lotus is getting established.
And I use the gravel to weigh down the tuber.
When you use Osmocote, the Osmocote will fertilize your lotus for the rest of the season,
you don't have to do any monthly fertilization. O0 8)
(and you don't have to worry about killing your lotus by overfertilizing)
 
The little Baby Doll lotus is planted in a fiberglass Grecian style bowl.
Same process, Osmocote on the bottom, the bowl is 3/4 filled with the compost mix, placed the tubers on the top of the soil,
then put about 1-2" of pea gravel gently around the tubers.
It grew like crazy last year, and I had at least 24 blooms from July through September.

Here are some pix of it when it was first planted, until it bloomed:













 
If you want another way to plant lotus, dig a hole in the ground, at least 3 feet wide by 2 feet deep, and drop a pond liner into it.
Fill it with compost, (putting Osmocote in first) put your lotus tubers on the top of the soil, and then gently cover them with a 1-2" layer of pea gravel.
You can cover the edges of the pond liner with rocks, and plant the edges with perennials, ornamental grasses, groundcovers.
In the winter, to insulate it you can cover it with a piece of plywood, and put some bagged lawn leaves over it.
Make sure all your lotus pots and ponds are in full sun.
 
I know the way I grow lotus is not for everyone.
Big pots of lotus are hard to move around.
I have a big strong husband, and I am a professional landscape designer,
with access to a lot of hard working Guatemalans.
They help me move my lotus pots into our attached garage for the winter.
Most of my pots can be easily moved with a hand truck by my husband,
with me opening the garden gates and helping him 'steer'.
 
But the two huge pots at the entrance to my front walk, get moved by Guatemalans on a fork lift.
 
Hope this helps!

...Joyce

The little plant is Siberian Pink Cups: Baldellia ranunculoides.
I can share some with you later on this year.
As you can see, it spread FAST. :o

 

 

 
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Re: Would like to give a lotus a try this summer
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2007, 08:53:16 AM »
 @O@ @O@ @O@ @O@

Thanks!  You are awesome!  I'll back with you later in the spring for those Siberian Pink Cups!
Now I have to find the lotus...
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Re: Would like to give a lotus a try this summer
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2007, 08:55:18 AM »
I can share some of the lotus too. :)
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Re: Would like to give a lotus a try this summer
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2007, 09:33:02 AM »
Joyce tell me about the pink cups? do you just plant them in dirt with no special attention? I think I might have to get me some and try them. Last yr I had about 50 some lotus tubs.

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Re: Would like to give a lotus a try this summer
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2007, 09:35:00 AM »
Joyce your pictures are stunning, makes me want to try more container gardening.  Last year I bought a Babydoll, I did get one bloom late in the season and the wind ripped off the petals before they even fully opened.  This year after lots of reading, I plan on planting them in individual containers instead of in the pond, they did not do well last year, guess more of  an experiment with something new.  I've learned a lot from you in this thread, seems I made quite a few errors.  Now I just have to hope that the tubers I placed in the basement pond did not rot over the winter, if so I'll be buying new and trying again.  Thanks for the detailed information.  Oh yes, and what is that darling little flowering plant you have in the pot, it looks farmilar, just can't come up with a name.  It does compliment the lotus very well.
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Re: Would like to give a lotus a try this summer
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2007, 05:57:07 PM »
Okay... I have to ask this..  I assume you are referring one of the colorful bettas" that we see in glasses at stores.. 
Do you take them in for winter if they survive the summer ?   
My problem with mosquito dunks is that I forget to add more and I always end up with mosquito in the water  :D
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Re: Would like to give a lotus a try this summer
« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2007, 06:28:43 AM »
Hello backyardponder!

I am in KY.. neighbors :)  I just started with lotus last summer and I love them.  I followed Joyce's barrel planting method and one was even blooming by mid june.

I was jsut at gardenridge in Lexingon last week and they had huge sales on pots.... Did your garden ridge??

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Re: Would like to give a lotus a try this summer
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2007, 06:48:44 AM »
Joyce - You know your "stuff"!  O0 I really appreciate the photos of the different stages of growing your Baby Doll Lotus. I'm a visual person and that was very helpful to me! I just love your gorgeous lotus! Your yard must look like water gardener's paradise! Thanks for all the tips on growing Lotus. Very, very helpful!!!

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Re: Would like to give a lotus a try this summer
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2007, 07:07:53 AM »
I forgot to ask about the dimensions of your container. I have what is considered a small round pre-formed pond from HD. It is about 14" height and about 33" in diameter at the top of the container and narrows at the bottom. I had been using this to grow water lilies in, but am now reconsidering. I may use it to grow a Baby Doll Lotus. Does that size of container sound about right for a Baby Doll Lotus? I love your Siberian Pink Cups. Are there any other flowering water/bog plants that you would recommend to try growing in with the Lotus?

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Re: Would like to give a lotus a try this summer
« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2007, 07:16:13 AM »
Thanks Becky!
That would be prefect for a Baby Doll. O0

No, I wouldn't grow anything else, because you want all the nutrients to go to the Lotus.
The Siberian Pink Cups isn't a big plant, so doesn't use up a lot of nutrients.

Charlotte, my bettas come in for the winter.
They need to come in when the water drops below 55*.
They are very sensitive to cold water.
One cold snap, and they die.

If you choose to put bettas in your pot ponds, remember, dark colored bettas don't show up.
Try the lighter colored bettas. :)
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Re: Would like to give a lotus a try this summer
« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2007, 07:24:23 AM »
Joyce - Would that size container pond also work for a Momo Botan Lotus? I didn't know if they are the same size or is the Momo Botan larger when mature?

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Re: Would like to give a lotus a try this summer
« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2007, 07:51:37 AM »
Momo Botan is at least 2-3x bigger than Baby Doll, so it would be better in a half barrel. :)
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Re: Would like to give a lotus a try this summer
« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2007, 08:05:57 AM »
Thanks for clarifying that Joyce. Now I get to show my ignorance here. I don't ever see barrels for sale in my area, so I have no idea what their size is. Please, Joyce, humor me and post the dimensions of a half barrel like the ones you use. I am totally clueless to their size. Maybe I can find a container similar in size somewhere. It's pretty limited here at the local garden shops for container choices.

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Re: Would like to give a lotus a try this summer
« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2007, 08:22:30 AM »
A half barrel holds approximately 25 gallons.
Here is a website with dimensions.
http://www.kentuckybarrels.com/accents.html
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Re: Would like to give a lotus a try this summer
« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2007, 09:29:24 AM »
backyardponder.. if you have a walmart mine put out the half whiskey barrels there just a few days ago .. you could see the size from those...

Glad I remembered to follow up on this post.. I was gonna get a the mb lotus to put in my hose pot like yours.. guess it would be better to get the baby doll.

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Re: Would like to give a lotus a try this summer
« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2007, 10:46:18 AM »
Hi Tinkster,
I saw some half barrels at Garden Ridge for $29.99.  I bought mine from a landscaping place last year for $40.  I'll check what my Walmart has. 
I looked at posts quickly and thought I'd been posting without remembering  :D Beckygardener, I thought you were me (backyardponder).

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Re: Would like to give a lotus a try this summer
« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2007, 11:56:31 AM »
Yikes! :o
I've been getting my half wine barrels for no more than $20, and the liners for about $15-18.

Go to Home Depot or Lowes before going anywhere else.
This is where I have been buying mine, and at NY prices too.  :P
(could be a lot cheaper where you live)
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Re: Would like to give a lotus a try this summer
« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2007, 01:22:36 PM »
I tried lotus last year for the first time. One of them had a wimpy bloom. I'm hoping they spent time growing bigger tubers so they can shine this year. I'm wondering about repotting? Many folks say to repot after two years. If I just leave them alone how do I fertilize them? I haven't decided whether to dig them up and repot, or leave them alone. Could I just sprinkle more Osmocote into the water or am I better off repotting with new soil?

If only I could keep the raccoons from meddling with them.

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Re: Would like to give a lotus a try this summer
« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2007, 03:43:30 PM »
Thanks, Joyce for the barrel dimensions. I haven't seen any half barrels at Lowes or Home Depot yet, but will be looking over the next few weeks. Sometimes we don't get what other stores in the Nation get.  :(

I am thinking that my small pre-formed pond is about 25-30 gallons. Is that the correct size for Baby Doll or Momo Botan? I need to verify which plant needs the half-barrels. Sorry I'm a bit confused. I, too, had been reading suggestions to put the Lotus in smaller containers, so I bought some pots with that in mind. Only now it looks like they might be much too small. Instead, I will use the smaller pots for the water lilies that need a new home since I plan to use the pond for the Baby Doll Lotus.

Thanks so much for such patient help. I'm a bit slow when I am trying something new in the garden. I want it to be right.

Hi everyone! Glad to be on-board here in this forum! Such nice, knowledgeable folks!  @O@ I appreciate all the great suggestions and advice! :-)

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Re: Would like to give a lotus a try this summer
« Reply #26 on: February 27, 2007, 04:42:08 PM »
Momo Botan would be ok in the 30 gallon preform.
You might even get away with not repotting it for two years, which is what I did with mine.

The Baby Doll can go in a smaller container, maybe 10-15 gallons.
15-20 gallon would be better, since they grow so fast using my potting method.
I really like the way my Baby Doll looks in the low, squat Grecian style bowl.
At WalMart last year, I also picked up these pots on clearance, something like $10,
originally made for storing your coiled up garden hose,
I turned mine into lotus bowls. 8)

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Re: Would like to give a lotus a try this summer
« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2007, 05:26:18 PM »
JOyce I think I forgot to tell ya.. last year end of season I finally found the same hose pots at wallie world.  I got two the first night for 10. they had quiet a few more. .I went back the next night when I decided to make them as gifts for people and they wouldnd sell them to me. .they had them pushed off to the side and said they had been recalled by manufacturer.  I tried to find out why but  couldnd or wouldnd tell me but they sure woulddn sell them.  hope were not gonna get poisoned :)

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Re: Would like to give a lotus a try this summer
« Reply #28 on: February 27, 2007, 05:36:22 PM »
They still have them at my WallyWorld.
It's just that I don't need anymore. (or do I?  :-\  ;)  :D )
I am going to be sinking a lot of pots into the garden this year,
because last year it was just too 'busy' with pots all over the place.
Seems like the older I get, the more natural, serene, and 'zen' my garden becomes.

This spring will be another of 'taking away' rather than adding.
Or at least it will seem that way.
My wallet probably wont seem any different. ;)
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Re: Would like to give a lotus a try this summer
« Reply #29 on: February 27, 2007, 06:10:59 PM »
I appreciate the clarification, Joyce. And I LOVE the hose coiling containers! What a great idea! So now I am thinking that I will put the baby doll in something more like 15-20 gallons and the Momo Botan into the small container pond. Woo hoo! Lots of great ideas in just this thread alone! You are awesome, Joyce! So many great ideas that you were so kind to share with all of us. Can you just imagine my little brain just a clickin' away!  ::)

 

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