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Quick answer to a pond/koi question....
« on: July 12, 2008, 12:50:27 PM »
... because the fish are in a bucket!

Here's the story:  (Short version)  I thought they were dead!  They'd been living in disgusting pea soup water and now I'm afraid that if I put them in clean water, the shock would kill them.

The long version:

A friend gave me a plastic-form pond, about 90 gallons.  I filled it up, put in a PondMaster 190 biofilter, and a week later added three koi (Dinah, Freckles and Dave Brown.)  In no time at all, the water got uh-hu-hugly brown, so dark you couldn't see the fish, and it's only 16 inches deep!   After a month or so the electric company cut down the trees that were shading the pond (I chose that shady location  for the koi!)  So, algae appeared, not the stringy kind, a bright green haze in the dark water. I got some Microbe-lift and Green Clean algaecide immediately and started both according to the directions. No noticeable improvement after 2 weeks, although it was fun watching the dead algae "foam" float to the surface.

At the end of week 3 of pond treatment (still no clarifying of the water), one of the koi (poor Dinah) was floating.  Ironically, that was the only one that would come up to eat often.  The pond is netted, by the way.  I had seen Dave Brown a few days before, but Freckles had already been a no-show for a week.

I took the net off.  Why?  I dunno... I figured, if I couldn't see the fish, then nothing else would, either!  I kept putting in food for the remaining fish, but never saw either of them.  After a week, I dredged the pond with the fish net, hoping to see even a flash of white or orange, and....nuttin'.  Crap.  Holding out hope, I kept putting in small amounts of food (counting the nuggets to see if any went missing.)  No shiny bobbing heads nomming, no missing nuggets.  Maybe something saw them after all, or maybe they died and something nabbed the floating critters.  Whatever, a couple of dredgings later I decided that the pond was empty.

Today is a week since  I stopped feeding the water and two weeks since I decided that all of my fishies had gone to Davy Jones' Locker.  Figuring I would empty the disgustingly filthy pond, I started siphoning out the water.  It got down to about 5 inches deep when a blur of the faintest orange caught my eye.  Cheese and rice, there were two fish in the pond!  What the --??  After gaping and several repetitions of "There's fish in the pond!" (bad grammar, yes, but I was overexcitedlywhelmed.)  I pulled them out of the pond and put them in a bucket of the pea soup water.  Which is where they are now.  I cleaned the pond and put in the water I always have standing by, about 12 gallons (I was planning on filling it up with the hose and starting all over.)

And, as a slap in my pond-ignorant, impatient face, there was no sludge at the bottom, just some rocks and dirt that had fallen out of a potted plant that accidently went for a swim.  And, it didn't stink, just smelled like a lake.  So, the PondMaster is doing exactly as it says on the tin.  When I lifted the filters out, I didn't let any of the water run out of it, so it's still bacteria-ized.  I added the "purge" amount of Microbe-lift and now I'm afraid to put the two shiny critters in the clean, dechlorinated, algae-absent water!

Is it safe?  What say ye?

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Re: Quick answer to a pond/koi question....
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2008, 01:00:21 PM »
You need a bigger filter.
You can put the koi back, put the net back over the top, add an umbrella or something floating (less than half of the water should be covered) for shade. Don't feed them until the water is green again.
Green and brown are really REALLY different conditions in a pond. Brown, as in dead things, is bad. Green as in living things is good. Muddy is not "brown" or dead things.

Koi can live and prosper in an amazingly small body of water if there is adequate oxygen and algae. They eat the algae, and the algae cleanses their waste.

But all things considered, you need a bigger filter to pull out the macro-organisms, which will include some of the algae. Clean it regularly.

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Re: Quick answer to a pond/koi question....
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2008, 01:36:27 PM »
I'm not an expert and have never dealt with pea soup water. (Where's the wood to knock on?) But I would say it is OK to move them. I think that temperature difference is more of a shock to them. You could just run water in the pond to dilute it so that the change wouldn't be so sudden. WE're supposed to do, what is it, 10% water changes once a week anyway aren't we? I don't because I know I have a leak in the water fall and I have to add water often anyway so mine gets done naturally. Whenever my pond starts looking cloudy, I throw in more filter media and rinse it several times a day to get the crud out of the water. Oh and I do/have used some algae killer in the past but don't over do it. Remember when the algae is dead, you still have the dead particles in the water. Don't worry about feeding the fish. When they're that small, they'll get what they need from the algae when it's that bad.
The more fish/gunk/mulm/rotting food, the more problem with the algae. I know this didn't help much but as you follow these forums, there's no cut and dried solution to pea soup water. Some struggle with it and others don't. Some spend weeks trying to get it cleared and then all of a sudden it clears and they don't know why.

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Re: Quick answer to a pond/koi question....
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2008, 04:06:54 PM »
Okay, fishies are back in the pond!  Thanks! One thing I've noticed when people start talking ponds is that there is a lot of conflicting information, like cleaning the filter.  Some say clean it regularly, some say only twice a year.  Sheesh.  But, fishies are saved and I can see them....for now!  Also just bought two water lilies and stole some anachris from my barrel pond (which I don't do anything to and it's as happy as can be, of course!)

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Re: Quick answer to a pond/koi question....
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2008, 04:27:38 PM »
One thing you didn't mintchen is ? Is there plants in the pond? Plants help a LOT to keep agage down and provide shade and cover for fish. You can get mini Lillies and just about everything else for smaller ponds. good luck and keep us posted.
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Re: Quick answer to a pond/koi question....
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2008, 04:41:12 PM »
Yes, when I picked up the algae stuff, I bought plants, too.  They're a little to small for shade just yet (bluebells, arrowhead, water celery, ribbon grass and Houttuynia) so I'm going to lay a couple of boards over the pond.  Oh, that will look nice.... ;)  The pond actually only gets sun from 7am to noon in the summer.  In the winter, I think that'll drop considerably, as it's situated 5 feet north of a 6 foot stockade fence.  We'll see.

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Re: Quick answer to a pond/Koi question....
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2008, 04:57:49 PM »
Partly the reason you get so many differing answers is that we have all different types of water features. Some have a tiny pot on a patio with a mini lily and some are fancy commercially installed and equipped ponds. Some have very large natural bottom ponds with no filtration, but the majority of our ponds are medium sized DIY types. Even the DIY types vary a lot, from the plants we use, the number and type of fish, and the filtration used. Some have bogs and some have bio filters. Many of us have skimmers in their filters and many don't.  Some of our ponds have rocks covering the bottom and most don't. Some of us insist on and have a bottom drain. I and many others don't have rocks or a bottom drain. Those that are into raising quality Koi feel a need for more special equipment and keeping close track of the water quality. Many of us have successfully raised healthy Koi and other types of fish for years without ever testing the water. Many of us have waterfalls and some have streams. Many of us who are addicted to ponding have not just one pond but several and some have a dozen or more. Some insist that Koi need at least a 4' depth and a large pond while some of us seem to raise happy Koi with shallower and smaller ponds.

So you can see why you will get all the differing opinions every time you mention a problem or ask a question. But don't let that stop you from asking. Often there is a bunch of people with the same answer to your question or you'll get a suggestion that seems to fit your situation. Oh and again if you have a problem with your pond, plants, or fish, you can be sure that someone else on this forum has experienced that same situation and hopefully will have a solution/suggestion to help solve your quandary.

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Re: Quick answer to a pond/koi question....
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2008, 07:07:30 PM »
Cleaning the filter is different in different ponds. If you are vastly underfiltered - and it sounds like you could be - you clean the filter. Because you have to remove the mulm and other macro-particles (fish poop, leaves, you know...).
If you have a filter adequate for the pond (I've never seen an oversized filter), then you clean it less often, because the beneficial bacteria are near the critical level - and you need the bacteria.

If you are underfiltered, the bacteria are fat and sassy. Lots of them. No waiting.
If you are adequately filtered, the bacteria are lean and mean. Few and far between.

So clean filters often if your filter is too small.
Clean filters sparingly, if your filters are good sized.

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