Wow thanks for all of the help Tim! I looked on WGI at pics of Woods Blue Goddess and I agree with you my plant does look VERY much like it. VERY similar leaves but I don't see the the same tight orderly symmetrical leaf pattern that I remember. The turned over leaf in one of the pictures showes a pretty smooth leaf bottom and my memory, and you know my memory is far from perfect, tells me that the bottom of my plants leaves had very prominent veins that where light green with very light to sometimes darker violet flat areas between the veins. I think I also remember that the veins strengthen the leaves making them stiffer than other tropical lily leaves. I remember they kind of made me think of night bloomer leaves,although no where near as prominent veins and stiffness. Until 2 or so years ago the only information I had for waterlily ID was Perry Slocums books, and I think the name is Plants for water gardens by Helen Nash and Steve Stroup, I hope I spelled that right. And a whole lot of catalogs. And the last 3 or 4 years I have been so busy that I've had very little time for identifying plants. I've gotten a lot of new plants in the last 3 years that I haven't had time to ID. to my satisfaction but seem mostly to be what they were sold to me as. Probably the truly named effect. Except one, it was supposed to be Pink Starlet from Perrys water gardens in 07. The color and flower form are basically correct but the flowers are NEVER held above the water. Not even a little. not even in shallow water. If any body out there has a real Pink Starlet I would like to trade for one. Meanwhile I have no idea what this plant is that I bought. Wow ! again Tim I just went to the link on your post. I didn't know about your site. BEAUTIFUL thanks so much. I cant wait to dig into that! It will help me a whole lot I'm sure. I looked at your pics of WBG. And yes,VERY similar in almost all respects. Except I still don't see the same leaf distribution as on my plant. WAY more leggy than mine and the leaves look WAY more random than my memory tells me that my plants leaves are, in full sun and a big pot. Maybe it's just growing conditions. One more thing also my plant has the fine lines and small dots on the outside of the sepals that perry Slocum says lone star has. And I don't have to depend on my faulty memory to know this because I can see it in one of my pics when I zoom in. Perry doesn't say anything about the outer side of the sepals of WBG so I don't know if there smooth green or what. I just went back to your site and the pic of WBG in the top rt. corner when I magnify it as much as I can I don't see any small dots. And on another pic I see what to me looks like some streaks but no small dots. I think I have some regular film pictures of this plant from 07 when I grew it well. If I can find them maybe I can figure out how to scan them and put them on my hard drive and post them. I would LOVE to send you a plant when the weather warms enough. Maybe I can send you a tuber. Or better yet a plant with a tuber attached to show how it tubers. I have a bunch of tubers in my window tub to sprout right now. The tag says " Lone Star ?. " I don't remember why the question mark right now. It may be that because I collected the tubers from there pots after the leaves were all gone and wasn't 100 percent sure. But I have plants in the greenhouse that have not been removed from there pots and should have attached tubers. Thanks again for helping and hopefully we will get this figured out. I really don't care about being right. I just want to get it right. One way or another I'll have a plant with good provenance whatever it is. Mike.