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My Potting Recipe...
« on: March 24, 2009, 05:35:48 PM »
When I repot in the spring, I use pots without holes, (or you can line pots with black garbage bags) and throw in about a half cup of Osmocote Pellets (Veggie Formula) per 18" pot on the bottom of the pot before I add the soil (I use compost...composted cow manure works best for me).
Osmocote is a micro-coated fertilizer, using the osmosis process in conjunction with the temperature, the nutrients inside the micro-coated pellet pass through the micro-coat, the warmer the temps, the faster it is released. This corresponds to the lilies (or lotus, or any pond plants) needs for nutrition. As it warms up from Spring to Summer, your plants grows faster, needs more nutrition...more food. Osmocote can NOT dissolve all at once like fertilizer tabs or spikes can, so it is virtually impossible to burn your plants with Osmocote (unless you don't follow directions and dump WAYYYY too much of it in the pot). There is a chart on each container of Osmocote that tells you how much to use per diameter pot.
Fool proof I say...but they are famous last words aren't they. ;)
Common sense comes into play here too.
Think about what water lilies grow in, in their natural habitat, at the bottom of a natural pond.
 
Do they grow in sand?
Do they grow in Kitty Litter?
Do they grow in Gravel?
Do they grow in topsoil?
Do they grow in coco fiber?
Do they grow in clay?
 
'NOPE' to all of the above.
 
Water lilies grow in the composting, rotting muck at the bottom of natural ponds. (It stinks.) This muck is a combo of dead plants, dead animals, dead insects, and all the other organic debris that naturally gets into a pond and settles out onto a layer of sediment on the bottom. TONS of micronutrients in this muck too, not to mention beneficial bacteria, and yes, anaerobic bacteria, which causes most of the stench. There are no 'holes' in the bottom of natural ponds. No need for holes in pots either. Lilies LOVE to grow in this rooting, stinky quagmire.
Another good aspect to pots without holes is that the nutrients and fertilizer has to seep upwards into the water lily roots (or any pond plant roots) and can not leach out through the bottom holes. This way your lily gets ALL the nutrition.
If you use pots with holes, the fertilizer (and soil nutrients) leach out and will cause algae blooms. :(
And lilies in nature have no 'holes' in the bottom of mud ponds. They don't mind stinky, anaerobic conditions.
Their roots don't get deep enough to go into the completely anaerobic environment.
This is why pots that are wider than deep are the best...because lily roots do not get too deep, but grow laterally through the richest, most nutrient laden layer of pond settlement.
 
So by planting your lilies in compost, it's the next best thing to what your lily really wants...natural pond muck!
And by adding Osmocote, you can have at least 4 months of gradually released supplemental nutrition for your lilies, and all pond plants.
And you wont get any fertilizer burn. :)
But you will get bigger lilies, more blooms, multiple daily blooms (instead of one at a time) than you've ever had, and have a lot less maintenance!
(not to mention Osmocote saves you money in the long run)
And each bag of Osmocote has a graph showing you the ratio of pot size to fertilizer dose.
The only way you can screw it up is if you can't read and/or follow directions.
 
And another copy/paste from another topic:
Here is another 'secret' I use: I stick a small walnut sized wad of plain steel wool on the bottom of my pot....keeps the lily (or any plant) from getting chloritic. (yellowing from lack of iron)
Also, I mix Mosquito Quick Kill granules (it's all natural, uses Bacillus thurengensis aka BT) into my Compost. It innoculates the soil with BT, killing the caterpillars that eat your lily leaves, and it will of course kill mosquitos. Completely fish safe, pet safe, human safe since it uses a bacteria that gets into the bugs digestive system, disrupts it and causes the caterpillars (and mosquito larvae) to starve to death.
When mixed into the soil, it seems to 'time release' and last all summer. :)

I mulch the top of my potting mix with a layer of pea gravel, and then if it's going into a koi pond,
I'll place larger fist sized rocks on top of the pea gravel, fitted together like puzzle pieces yet kept away from the crown of the plant so it can grow.
Broken up flagstones fitted together work GREAT for this top 'koi proof' layer.
 
Pondly...Joyce  :D
 
PS: One word of warning, if you buy composted cow manure, it should look and smell like high quality compost...it should not smell like COW POOP!  ::)
It should smell just like rich potting soil, similar to that greenhouse smell that all of us gardeners love so much.  o(:-)
It should not be moldy, stinky, or nasty in any way.  :P  If you do open a bag and it's nasty, funky, stinky.....cultivate your common sense and DON'T use it!  {nono}

LIKE ANY GOURMET RECIPE...CHANGING THIS RECIPE IN ANY WAY WILL NOT GET THE SAME RESULTS!
So don't come on here in a couple months blaming me for your failure if you haven't followed the recipe to a tee.  {nono}
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Re: My Potting Recipe...
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2009, 10:20:21 PM »
I will hang this in my greenhouse next to Seans mix  I will laminate it as well. o(:-)
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Re: My Potting Recipe...
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2009, 05:31:01 AM »
Joyce, thanks for the recipe.  I did try it last year and because I didn't put enough pea gravel in (my bad for not following the recipe to the T) my lotus pot became the great algae home.  The algae bloom was so bad that I had to take the lotus I got from Frank out and put it into another pot with at least 2" of pea gravel.  The poor plant was almost choked to death by the algae.   >:(  I still had some algae on the surface but much less.   O0

This recipe is now permanantly in my gardening folder.   :)

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Re: My Potting Recipe...
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2009, 06:14:58 AM »
Hi Kuan and Jerry!

It's VERY important to place the osmocote on the bottom of the hole-less pot.
Do NOT mix it into the soil.
If you mix it into the soil...most of the osmocote in the top half of the soil seeps out into the pond water. :o
That's what will cause an algae bloom.
Compost itself is probably not the cause.

It takes a few weeks, up to a month for the osmocote to seep up to your plants roots. (FYI: I repot in April)
But up until then...the compost is plenty rich enough to sustain the plant.
Also, the plant is growing roots down towards the Osmocote.
So within a month the Osmocote and roots will meet up with each other and be very, VERY happy.  o(:-)
That's when you'll notice multiple blooms, every day.  8)

Yes, pea gravel helps keep everything in place, and keeps fish OUT.
Once the fish can get to the soil and star rooting around in it, they stir things up, and that helps cause an algae bloom too.
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Re: My Potting Recipe...
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2009, 09:20:57 AM »
Thanks for the info, and for the explanations.  So much more likely to follow instructions when you understand WHY.  I've copied and pasted, so I can save this.

Joyce, (or others), is Osmocote equally good for above ground plants, and potted plants?

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Re: My Potting Recipe...
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2009, 09:25:45 AM »
Joyce,

I'm trying new lotuses this year and will use your recipe to the T! @O@

I've already gotten the composted cow manure and will be potting tomorrow!

Thanks for posting it!

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Re: My Potting Recipe...
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2009, 11:15:48 AM »
joyce, thanks so much for all the Great info. i was going to 'google' potting mixes and now dont have to. i learned the hard way about the planting baskets with holes all the pond places sell- you cant get your lilies out w/out cutting all those great roots off and then have to start the poor plant over every year.  andi in minnesota where its cold and snowing today

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Re: My Potting Recipe...
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2009, 11:38:59 AM »
Thanks from me too Joyce! I am keeping this in the safe and I'm re-potting all my water lilies as soon as it stops raining.
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Re: My Potting Recipe...
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2009, 01:30:50 PM »
Thanks right back atcha everyone!  O0

Osmocote is made for land plants, perfectly safe.  8)
Has a cool dosage chart on the label of each package.  :)
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Re: My Potting Recipe...
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2009, 06:31:08 PM »
Is your recipe safe for fish ponds or will the compost cause an algae bloom. I thought I read somewhere that you shouldnt use the compost in a pond where there are fish

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Re: My Potting Recipe...
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2009, 07:33:52 AM »
After reading your post here Joyce, about planting in composted cow manure, it brings a question to mind.  :-\ When you say composted cow manure do you mean composted steer manure? I would think yes but you said to follow your directions to a "T" and I want to make sure I do :)
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Re: My Potting Recipe...
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2009, 05:38:23 PM »
tlc....As long as it's completely composted...it's fine. 8)

RWinn...if it wasn't safe, I wouldn't be using it in my ponds full of fish.
(and I've been using it for about a decade...no fish fatalities or algae blooms)
Conpost will NOT cause an algae bloom. But if you use uncomposted manure, it will. :o
It's all about following directions and understanding what 'compost' means. 8)
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Re: My Potting Recipe...
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2009, 09:18:17 PM »
Does Alpaca poop work??? I was reading somewhere where llama poop was very good.......but I have PLENTY of alpaca poop....and would love to do something with it!

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Re: My Potting Recipe...
« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2009, 07:59:34 AM »
tlc....As long as it's completely composted...it's fine. 8)

Thanks Joyce for clearing that up :)
I learned two things here today! One about composted steer manure and two you can pot pond plants with it.

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Re: My Potting Recipe...
« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2009, 09:15:14 AM »
I'm not going to repeat myself after this one last time....  ::)

USE COMPOST. Not straight poop of ANY kind.  {nono}

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Re: My Potting Recipe...
« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2009, 10:06:59 AM »
I wasn't asking to use straight poop............. ::)

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Re: My Potting Recipe...
« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2009, 11:33:13 AM »
OK, well, you did use the word poop, not compost;)
Just wanted to be sure.  8) SOOOOO many in the past didn't follow my directions and used straight poop,
only to come on here ranting and raving hatefully at me for their own mistakes.  ::)
 
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Re: My Potting Recipe...
« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2009, 12:06:32 PM »
Ohhhh ok..... No I was asking if you have had or heard any good things about using Alpaca poop in your compost?
I was looking somewhere and someone was selling it........
They also said they made a "tea" (poop in the bottom and water, using it in it's brown tea form) to water their plants with.

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Re: My Potting Recipe...
« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2009, 12:12:22 PM »
Hi Joyce, If I use the 14-14-14 Osmocote in the bottom of my lily pots here in Western Washington where the temps don't get very warm in the summer (between 65 -75 average) and the water temp I assume would be even lower will the Osmocote dissolve enough to do it's duty?
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Re: My Potting Recipe...
« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2009, 04:21:46 PM »
Hey jw... 
I've used Joyce's recipe here in Olympia on my Chawan Basu (I got it from Johns) and it did well..  Unfortunately it looks like I left it in too shallow of water this winter and I think I lost it during the Big Freeze >:(-...  I've replaced it with some lotus from Kat and Lawanna, however, so I'll be giving it another go here soon...  Love the look of the aerial leaves in the pond, and of course the blossoms are uniquely special....

Actually snowing as I type ....  I'm way ready for spring...

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Re: My Potting Recipe...
« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2009, 05:46:44 PM »
Hi Dave, Glad to hear Joyce's formula will work in our mild climate. I checked out all your pics of your pond from start to finish and your yard and pond are lovely. You have so many wonderful plants. What is the reddish tall plant in your pond and also are all those plants around your pond hardy through the winter. There is a split leaf plant with red stems by your Buddah too. Is it hardy? I read that the Chawan Basu is hardy to zone 4 but maybe like you say it should have been deeper. And you say it is snowing there? Yikes I hope it's not coming this way. We are up in the 300ft level so we may get hit tonight. I'm hoping not!

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Re: My Potting Recipe...
« Reply #21 on: March 30, 2009, 07:19:07 PM »
Joyce, Thanks for posting your recipe at just the right time! I'm going to pot up two of the same lilies and grow them side by side so people can see the difference over the growing season. Nothing convinces people faster than seeing the comparison with their own eyes!  Should be fun.
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Re: My Potting Recipe...
« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2009, 08:39:31 PM »
Here's mine from Tinkster - thanks Joy!

Hope I did it right!


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Re: My Potting Recipe...
« Reply #23 on: March 30, 2009, 08:43:33 PM »
And a couple more...


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Re: My Potting Recipe...
« Reply #24 on: March 31, 2009, 07:35:35 AM »
Thanks Purpleshn2004 for posting those great pics :) They sure will help me get mine planted this week!
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Re: My Potting Recipe...
« Reply #25 on: March 31, 2009, 08:05:11 AM »
Thanks again everyone!

Yes, my recipe works in ANY climate, but the warmer the climate you live in, the faster the Osmocote is released through the membrane on each pellet.
So instead of 4 months of constant gentle fertilizer, you may only get 2-3 months. If you live in a tropical climate, 2-3 months after potting up with Osmocote,
you may want to supplement buy using a 1" diameter wooden stake or the handle of a garden tool like a rake, and poke 4 holes equidistant, to the bottom of the pot,
and at least 6" from the crown of the plant. Then add 2 tablespoons os Osmocote per hole, fill the hole in with fresh compost, tamp it down, and top it off with gravel or a 1" rock.
This should last you another 2 months or so.  8)

That's looking perfect purplepshn2004!  O0

My composters have a reservoir at the bottom that catches and stores the compost tea.
I use it to water my indoor plants, but diluted at 1 cup of tea to a 1 gallon watering can.

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Re: My Potting Recipe...
« Reply #26 on: March 31, 2009, 10:31:04 AM »
Thanks to you both and good luck tlc!

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Re: My Potting Recipe...
« Reply #27 on: March 31, 2009, 05:46:33 PM »
tonya.. that looks wonderful!!! you should post those pictures in the tutorial section.  Lawannas pictures arent there anymore.  Those show everything

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Re: My Potting Recipe...
« Reply #28 on: March 31, 2009, 06:26:52 PM »
Joy,

Thanks so much!  The only pic I forgot to take was when I put the osmocote in the bottom of the barrel before I added the dirt :(

Now, I just hope they grow like yours and Joyce's.  I will post progress later.


 

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